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10-30-2007, 04:52 PM
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Without doubt, it was a super quick time and he impressed me. But was that a fluke? On all of his form, you'd probably have to come down on saying "yes". He won one Grade 1 race, and in my mind that doesn't make him a brilliant or a great horse. A good one? Yes, but that is as far as it goes for me. I think he is a horse you either really like or really don't rate. I'm very much in the second group. I'm sorry, but i never really saw the brilliance that other people did.
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10-30-2007, 04:52 PM
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When you book a mare to a stallion do you really give a dam how many horses were better then the stallion you want.
Forestry's have been commercially successful and fast. Not my favorite but DC will certainly be an interesting prospect. How sucessful he will or won't be is anyone's guess. I suggest the Godolphin folks will give him plenty of quality mares in his first few seasons. As for how good DC really was? I think he was pretty special but who knows how much better or worse his career could have been if handled by a more stable training environment?
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10-30-2007, 04:57 PM
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he was 1-4 because he had never even looked like being out of 2nd gear in any race before.and despite the useful competition, many thought of him as the best horse owned by Sheikh Mo. that race certainly wasnt a fluke IMO, it was a culmination of a cautious season with him that allowed him to show how good he was instead of rushing him into a derby trail preperation. if you look at his RPRs, he had steady improvement every race up until the Cigar Mile... something went wrong this winter and he never recovered..
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10-30-2007, 05:10 PM
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We will have to agree to disagree. I've never thought the horse was anything special.
Certainly not good enough to be referred to as "brilliant". He was a good horse, but also a very fragile one.
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10-30-2007, 05:37 PM
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just saw that discreet cat will stand for 30k.
and someone said that stud fees are low?!
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10-30-2007, 05:49 PM
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10-30-2007, 05:51 PM
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Memories.....
Echo..... http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0 * * * DC..... http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=4 http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_4tZHFYf0U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ0rGZ8eAgY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BZaO3UaKHw
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10-30-2007, 06:26 PM
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Discreet Cat's throat issue was never cleared up.
He was last at every stage in a paceless running of the 10 furlong WC. His race in the Vosburgh was probably the biggest eyesore of the decade...beating the gate and putting himself in a dream spot...and even at six furlongs, he readily gave ground in a race run in a Merry-Go-Round fashion. Desperatly winning a 4-way photo for 3rd place. In his final work before the Breeders Cup, he was kept well off the rail, and worked an effortless five furlongs in 57.46 - a work so highly regarded that his odds dropped markedly for the Dirt Mile in off-shore books. Anyone with any sense - who saw his Vosburgh knew the work meant nothing...as he was sure to struggle tremendously when put to pressure, as his throat and ability to breath was still an issue. No one thought more of him than me....and he had NO CHANCE to hit the board in Dirt Mile - even though he was running against a crap field. Somehow, he did hit the board - 3rd beaten a pole.
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10-30-2007, 06:43 PM
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The fact that they got him back to the track, not once but twice suggests that they were 100% happy that his throat problems had cleared up for good.
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10-30-2007, 06:46 PM
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Anyone who saw the Vosburgh and didn't realize he was done is hopeless. His connections get their best efforts off of layoffs - he's run monster races off of layoffs- he showcases great raw athletic ability to beat the gate and sit the dream tactical trip (a clear 3rd behind two dueling leaders in a race that featured no passing) And with that trip (BY FAR the best tactical trip he's had in his entire career) he readily faded. He beat 7th place by less than a length. I saw his workout that had all those clockers raving --- and still picked him to finish 5th in the Dirt Mile.
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10-30-2007, 06:55 PM
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Godolphin will have had him checked over, and he wouldn't have made the track again unless they were 100% happy with him. Why would they risk losing $20k on a covering fee (which is what has happened) if they weren't 100% sure he was over his throat trouble? I know they aren't the best at running a business, but that is SOME risk if they had a feeling his throat wasn't up to it. They were disappointed with his first run back, and i imagine they had him checked over and scoped after that. I imagine he was scoped after working between races. They were disappointed with his Dirt Mile race. Could it have been the slop? I'm pretty sure his performances had nothing to do with his throat or ability to breath. If he was finding it hard to breathe, wouldn't Gomez have stated that after the two races? 9 times out of 10 the Jocks will know when the horses is struggling to get air into his/her lungs for whatever reason.
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Or when he showed eye-catching athletic ability - beating the gate and putting himself in a dream tactical spot in the Vosburgh - I knew he was a wash-up. Whenever he was put to any pressure in his two races - he made tremendously hard work of it...going from moving effortlessly to, almost in an instant, struggling. Does anyone bother to watch races anymore?
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