SEC games

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Must also remember the possibly the best defensive player in the country, Dorsey, was playing at half speed most of the season. I hope he did not hurt himself permanently.

they said yesterday he was having some back problems. he was in and out much of the night, but i think he made a mistake in coming back too soon on that knee. the second half of this season he hasn't done as well as earlier. still one hell of a player, but you can't get double teamed weekly on a bum knee and do well.

steltz was gimpy most of last night as well. very brutal game, with doucet getting dinged up several times.

i had my doubts the other day. the guy i bet in the colts/pats game offered one for yesterday, i declined.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i felt early on that they were playing yesterday not to lose. too many times they came down to the wire, this time they fell on the wrong side of it. les miles seemingly was outcoached in the second half. game should have been blown out early on, but it wasn't. should not have gone into overtime, but it did.
i believe you're biased against both lsu and the sec, so i doubt you would see anything other than what you've been seeing all year regarding the play and the opponents.. it's just another year of any sec team being able to beat a fellow conference member. a lot of physicality, which has definitely caught lsu with several players having limited or no play at all yesterday. flynn was abysmal, the defense in the second half seemed confused. but then, one has to wonder how much the def coordinator was paying attention to his CURRENT job when he's trying very hard to get his next job. it was a muddled mess, and arkansas benefitted greatly. you can't make mistakes and play half assed play and expect to win in that conference.

Actually I am the least biased person regarding LSU and the SEC. You guys always have 100 excuses when teams like LSU lose like they didn't want it bad enough. When the real reason is they simply are not much better than any of 20 other teams in the country. The SEC has more good teams than other conferences but that does not make them a better conference, just bigger. It is the same thing with Yankee fans. Just because they have some really good players they get picked to win every year. Of course everyone overlooks the flaws that will eventually kill them. And when they lose they come up with BS like Arod is not a winner or Torre isn't hungry enough. Instead of seeing that they have no reliable pitching and a bunch of guys who are not quite there or are on the decline. LSU simply isn't that good on either side of the ball. They are good but not great. Tennessee, KY, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas are all fair teams. Georgia and Fl are pretty good. If ever there was a year that a superior conference would dominate, it would be this year. But of course that is not the case.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

they beat miss state 45-0.
first three games this year, their opponents combined for one score between them, while lsu scored over 40 points each game.
but they hit sec play, and a wall. only one wide open game since then, and then a fairly easy win vs ole miss.. and then yesterdays ugliness.

maybe i shouldn't be wishing for miles to stay.... i think he's a good coach, but they definitely aren't playing up to their seeming talents.

Miss State is a freakin Girls school!!!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you forgot about casey dick!

Between him and that Alabama guy, John Boy whatever his name is....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Tebow is not a QB.
He is a... I dont know what heck he is.
FB, TE, who throws well.

He is tough to deal with.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Between him and that Alabama guy, John Boy whatever his name is....

sarah jessica parker wilson?? i heard someone call him that and thought it was fitting.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually I am the least biased person regarding LSU and the SEC. You guys always have 100 excuses when teams like LSU lose like they didn't want it bad enough. When the real reason is they simply are not much better than any of 20 other teams in the country. The SEC has more good teams than other conferences but that does not make them a better conference, just bigger. It is the same thing with Yankee fans. Just because they have some really good players they get picked to win every year. Of course everyone overlooks the flaws that will eventually kill them. And when they lose they come up with BS like Arod is not a winner or Torre isn't hungry enough. Instead of seeing that they have no reliable pitching and a bunch of guys who are not quite there or are on the decline. LSU simply isn't that good on either side of the ball. They are good but not great. Tennessee, KY, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas are all fair teams. Georgia and Fl are pretty good. If ever there was a year that a superior conference would dominate, it would be this year. But of course that is not the case.

no, i like lsu, and would like to have seen them win, but i have no problem in saying they played poorly on both sides of the ball, that their coaches had no plan, and that they were outplayed and outcoached yesterday. they escaped several close calls earlier this year, and their half assed play caught up with them twice in ot's. i think they believed too much of the hype surrounding them.

as for dominating, i just think that the sec is loaded, and any one of those schools can win each week. it's not like many other conferences where you have one or two decent teams, and everyone else is just filler.
i think the sec is the best conference, but i don't think that conference is far and away the best. but someone has to be the top, and i feel comfortable in saying that the sec is the deepest and most contentious group of teams out there.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Miss State is a freakin Girls school!!!

and the sad thing is that they are bowl eligible...what a crock.

hell, vandy still had a shot had they beat wake today at getting into a post season game. which just goes to show you that there is too much post season play!

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Oh please. All those Offensive juggernauts in Vandy, Alabama, Auburn, Miss St. Ol Miss, South Carolina...1/2 the conference has worse than average offenses. Arkansas runs the damn Veer. With the exception of Woodsen and Tebow there is not another good QB in the conference. With the exception of Florida, there is not a modern offense in the whole SEC.

Not surprisingly every one of those teams average significantly more points non-conference than they do in conference. Of course their overall numbers are going to suffer when 8 of their 11 games are in conference. If they all scored more than you'd complain about how much the SEC defenses suck. Hell, Mississippi is averaging 14.1 PPG in conference yet threw up 25 points on #1 (for a few more days) Missouri.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Not surprisingly every one of those teams average significantly more points non-conference than they do in conference. Of course their overall numbers are going to suffer when 8 of their 11 games are in conference. If they all scored more than you'd complain about how much the SEC defenses suck. Hell, Mississippi is averaging 14.1 PPG in conference yet threw up 25 points on #1 (for a few more days) Missouri.

Have you seen the SEC nonconference schedule? I went through it game by game in another thread. Not only is the SEC's record against legit non conference teams barely over .500 but they were hammered on more than a few occasions. Missouri is averaging giving up 24 pts per game so it could hardly be considered an offensive explosion. They also managed 10 pts on offense against Memphis, 17 against La Tech and rolled it up against 4-7Southland conference foe NW LA State with 38. If you think that the SEC's strength lies in its offenses you must be watching only Florida and KY.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you think that the SEC's strength lies in its offenses you must be watching only Florida and KY.

I'll watch Florida and Kentucky over Louisville any day of the week.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'll watch Florida and Kentucky over Louisville any day of the week.

The way Louisville got beat by KY (when they simply didn't cover a wide reciever on 4th down and long with 50 seconds to go in the game) was as disgraceful a way to lose as I have ever seen.

You are biased by the way...

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The way Louisville got beat by KY (when they simply didn't cover a wide reciever on 4th down and long with 50 seconds to go in the game) was as disgraceful a way to lose as I have ever seen.

You are biased by the way...

For certain. As are you.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

For certain. As are you.

I am hardly biased. I speak the truth...you just think it's biased because "You cant handle the truth!!!"

[otisotisotis]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The way Louisville got beat by KY (when they simply didn't cover a wide reciever on 4th down and long with 50 seconds to go in the game) was as disgraceful a way to lose as I have ever seen.

You are biased by the way...

1 play does not a game make.
let's be honest, there is no great team out there. hell, you'd have a hard time finding 5 solid-in-every-phase teams.
playoffs are the only way.
btw, what does it say for the big east when cincy is gonna get stuck in a crappy papa john's bowl? they haven't done a very good job w/ the bowl tie-ins.

We usually rate conferences in a comparative manner.

What conference is better than the SEC?
(Hint: The answer is: none are better.)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by otisotisotis

1 play does not a game make.
let's be honest, there is no great team out there. hell, you'd have a hard time finding 5 solid-in-every-phase teams.
playoffs are the only way.
btw, what does it say for the big east when cincy is gonna get stuck in a crappy papa john's bowl? they haven't done a very good job w/ the bowl tie-ins.

It does when it happens like that. Coaches have got the axe for much less. The Big East is relatively new when it comes to having multiple teams at a national level. What is crappy is 6-6 teams playing in bowls.

[otisotisotis]

more reasons for 16 team playoff.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

We usually rate conferences in a comparative manner.

What conference is better than the SEC?
(Hint: The answer is: none are better.)

Rating conferences in a comparable manner is not exactly an exact science. Need I pull out the facts again?
Tennesse/Cal L
SC/Clemson L
FL/FL St W
LSU/Va Tech W
Wake/ Vandy L
GA/OK St W
GA/GA Tech W
Aub/S FL L
Aub/K ST W
Miss St/WV L
Mizzou/Ol Miss L
SC/NC W
KY/Lou W
Ala/FSU L

That is the SEC vs the other major conferences
7 wins 7 losses

Hardly dominant or clearly the best

I didnt even bring up UL Monroe

Of course you may choose to ignore the results of actual games and continue to rely on your personal polls and other such ranking tools. It would probably qualify you to be on the Board of the NCAA football playoff committee.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Rating conferences in a comparable manner is not exactly an exact science. Need I pull out the facts again?
Tennesse/Cal L
SC/Clemson L
FL/FL St W
LSU/Va Tech W
Wake/ Vandy L
GA/OK St W
GA/GA Tech W
Aub/S FL L
Aub/K ST W
Miss St/WV L
Mizzou/Ol Miss L
SC/NC W
KY/Lou W
Ala/FSU L

That is the SEC vs the other major conferences
7 wins 7 losses

Hardly dominant or clearly the best

I didnt even bring up UL Monroe

Of course you may choose to ignore the results of actual games and continue to rely on your personal polls and other such ranking tools. It would probably qualify you to be on the Board of the NCAA football playoff committee.

So what conference is better?
The best football I have seen this year is in the SEC.
The best athletes I have seen all around are in the SEC.

And I am a little 12 fan.