Time to stop the open funding of terrorism!

I would like all to note how quiet Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, and other middle eastern countries have been. Iran is a Persian country and is funding terrorist groups that these countries do not particular like.

Hezbollah has made a grave error. The Israelis know that most of Southern Lebanon has tunnels and other havens for weapons built right under the houses of innocent Lebanese that protested the involvement of Syria in the first place. Leaflets where dropped and they explained that the area would be bombed because of the weapons and tunnels that hide all these rockets raining down on innocent civilians in Israel.

Let us please try to never mix the Israelis with the terrorist they are attempting to fight. We can complain that Israel has made a mistake in bombing too much infrastructure and not taking enough care to miss the innocents. But never ever mistake the basic moral values behind these terrorists and Israel.

Israeli planes dropped leaflets over parts of southern Lebanon, urging civilians to leave. Israeli Army officials say that Hezbollah stores rockets and portable launchers among the civilian population, in apartments, garages and shops.



Does Hezbollah send messages to innocent Iraelis telling them rockets might hit them in the next hour, please take caution? Do Iran and Syria send intellegence reports to Israel telling them, "look these monsters that we have given weapons to, they plan to strike...." Nopes. Never ever mistake the basic humanitarian differences between the Israelis and the terrorist groups supported by Iran and Syria.

What would we do if Mexican terrorist groups randomly started lauching rockets into LA and Houston? You think we stand by and let this happen? No way. Put yourself in the place of the Israelis. And then put yourself in the place of all the innocent Muslim people that just want to live a peaceful existence and raise their children without having to leave and hide and starve. Syrian and Iran send the supplies for this disaster, and innocent Palestinians and Lebanese pay the awful price. And they just sit back thinking" we got a bunch of human bombs to make things tough on Israel while we just sit back and watch all the fun".
This will end. Syria and Iran are going to feel what it is like to use others to suffer for their zealotry.

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by Society Selection

Umm... aren't you the person that talks about how you drive around your mom's BMW 740Li and that you shop and Burberry? I guess driving around Mommy and Daddy's 75K (base price) car doesn't make you privileged. Or is all that BMW/Burberry talk a lie?

wasnt born rich or privillaged, all that stuff just recently came in the past 5 years due to hard work and smart investments by my parents.

Dad came to America with 25 dollars in his pocket, washed dishes and swept floors

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Dad came to America with 25 dollars in his pocket, washed dishes and swept floors

And you should be very grateful that he did so ... instead of bashing the country which made his and your success, comfort, and safety possible.

And there's nothing unique about your family's experience ... it has happened tens of millions of times in this blessed country. My grandparents didn't have two nickels to rub together when they came here ... in fact ... if someone gave them a nickel ... they still wouldn't have had two nickels.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Syria and Iran are going to feel what it is like to use others to suffer for their zealotry.

Let us pray so.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Let us pray so.

AS usual you are wrong.

Israel cannot get to the root of Hezbollah by lobbing missile at Lebanon. There are two things you won't see the Israelis do:

1. Support the Coalition forces in Iraq.
2. Send ground troops into Lebanon to truly battle Hezbollah.

Israel NEVER uses ground troops.

These extreme groups exist and are legitimized/embraced by the oppressed Palestinians for the sole reason to fight the battle the Palestinians cannot.

Remove the only legitimizing factor which of course is the lack of peace and any meaningful Western effort to work toward it and you will eliminate Hezbollah.

It is funny how these radical rightists twist anything that someone says that disagrees with Israeli or American strategy or tactics and turns it into the stereotpical "you hate America" or "you hate jews."

It is simply a case of someone seeing the world different than you do. And you cannot acccept the fact that nearly all of the rest of the world feels you are wrong.

You've lost your precious Newt Gingrich. At least you have Sean Hannity to hold on to.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

AS usual you are wrong.

Israel cannot get to the root of Hezbollah by lobbing missile at Lebanon. There are two things you won't see the Israelis do:

1. Support the Coalition forces in Iraq.
2. Send ground troops into Lebanon to truly battle Hezbollah.

Israel NEVER uses ground troops.

These extreme groups exist and are legitimized/embraced by the oppressed Palestinians for the sole reason to fight the battle the Palestinians cannot.

Remove the only legitimizing factor which of course is the lack of peace and any meaningful Western effort to work toward it and you will eliminate Hezbollah.

It is funny how these radical rightists twist anything that someone says that disagrees with Israeli or American strategy or tactics and turns it into the stereotpical "you hate America" or "you hate jews."

It is simply a case of someone seeing the world different than you do. And you cannot acccept the fact that nearly all of the rest of the world feels you are wrong.

You've lost your precious Newt Gingrich. At least you have Sean Hannity to hold on to.

Hezbollah and Hamas will never go away as long as there are countries that are willing to pay cash for bodies willing to destroy Israel. Make no mistake. There are some very smart people within these groups that live very well that would never die for "the cause". They are profiting from this conflict. And Israel will continue to battle these groups until they provide security for their citizens. If this means bad patches of time with missles lobbed in, they will take them out. The missiles will eventually return if funding does not stop. And Israel will take them out. Israel is in this for the long haul. They know that their citizens will NEVER be fully safe as long as other countries with the tryrannical governments fund misguided human bombs. The citizens of Israel understand this. The world will see these messes continue until countries come to the realization that Israel is not leaving the map, and they will adapt to the terrorists as necessary. Forever, if that what it takes. So what will continue to take place is innocent people will pay the price, mostly in the Muslim states in which terrorists roam with impunity. The terrorists will continue to hide behind their innocent human shields, using them as political fodder. These people do not value human lives, any. It has become an industry. Use misguided poor youth, make them into killers, and then profit from the proceeds from countries that can spend money harrassing Israel using the blood of others.

There are very clearly good guys and bad guys in this conflict.

We may just have to accept the fact that some folks are just terminally stupid.

All the other Arabs ... and even the Persians of Iran ... have been using the "Palestinians" as cannon fodder for their money-making schemes for the past 60 years ...

... and the "Palestinians" are still too dumb to realize it.

There are tens of millions of Arabs who have gotten wealthy and lived lives of luxury off the riches of the homeland of Arabia ... while the "Palestinians" have gotten nothing but generations of poverty, misery, and death.

Yet the "Palestinians" still think that Israel is their enemy.

Terminal stupidity is a sad thing to observe.

These larger missiles fired require technological help. There are clearly Iranian and Syrian advisors and trainers in Lebanon. No doubt about that. And they are payed well for putting their lives on the line.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

AS usual you are wrong.

Israel cannot get to the root of Hezbollah by lobbing missile at Lebanon. There are two things you won't see the Israelis do:

1. Support the Coalition forces in Iraq.
2. Send ground troops into Lebanon to truly battle Hezbollah.

Israel NEVER uses ground troops.

Don't look now but Israel sent ground forces into southern Lebanon yesterday, they will invade if necessary and to think any differently shows a lack of understanding of the Isreali mindset...as Pgardn said, Israel will do whatever it takes, including carpet bombing Damascus if these attacks continue. Why do you think we heard rhetoric about a cease fire from both Syria and Iran in the last 24 hours...they are not stupid and they see the storm a-coming!

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

We may just have to accept the fact that some folks are just terminally stupid.

All the other Arabs ... and even the Persians of Iran ... have been using the "Palestinians" as cannon fodder for their money-making schemes for the past 60 years ...

... and the "Palestinians" are still too dumb to realize it.

There are tens of millions of Arabs who have gotten wealthy and lived lives of luxury off the riches of the homeland of Arabia ... while the "Palestinians" have gotten nothing but generations of poverty, misery, and death.

Yet the "Palestinians" still think that Israel is their enemy.

Terminal stupidity is a sad thing to observe.

As usual you make these utterly silly statements. The Palestinians are not stupid. They have been used. The utter poverty they live in makes them perfect targets for fanatacism. How do you think Israel gets so much intelligence? The "stupid" Palestinians that realize the hopelessness of their fanatic brethren. If you were born in Palestine bold one, I can see you as one of the first to die with bombs strapped to your body because you dont think. You react. Like a primitive jellyfish, very little analysis goes on. Environmental cue-----react. Hell, you might as well be a mousetrap.

Terminal Stupidity demonstrated.

You live in a Lebanese neighborhood. You own a small market and live modestly in a small house. Hezbollah guerrillas under intense attack move into your neighborhood, set up their rockets to fire.

Do you rise up with your neighbors and throw the armed men out? Hell no, they will kill you. So the rockets are fired and the guerrillas move to a new neighborhood. Next thing that occurs is your neighborhood is destroyed by Israeli bombs. What the crud are you supposed to do? Your government cannot control the guerillas.

1. The guerrillas are willing to sacrifice you and your family for the "greater" war.
2. Israel will hit the neighborhood knowing full well civilians that live there that have nothing to do with the war will be killed even, if you have been warned to leave, your life is destroyed.

And now on a Palestinian "Representative" says the Hezbollah kidnappings were a natural reaction to what was happening in Gaza. And the Hezbollah missles are an attempt to defend themselves?????? Exactly what, as a peaceful person living in Lebanon, are you supposed to do? Who do you hate for this? Who do you blame for ruining your livelyhood?

It is complex. But its pretty clear to me what the answers to these questions are.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

w says "humas needs to stop that ****" at the g-8 summit..talking to blair..so funny...in a bad deal..

Originally Posted by pgardn

As usual you make these utterly silly statements. The Palestinians are not stupid. They have been used. The utter poverty they live in makes them perfect targets for fanatacism. How do you think Israel gets so much intelligence? The "stupid" Palestinians that realize the hopelessness of their fanatic brethren. If you were born in Palestine bold one, I can see you as one of the first to die with bombs strapped to your body because you dont think. You react. Like a primitive jellyfish, very little analysis goes on. Environmental cue-----react. Hell, you might as well be a mousetrap.

Terminal Stupidity demonstrated.

What's the old saying ... "Fool me once ... shame on you ... fool me twice ... shame on me"?

How many times now have the Palestinians been fooled by their Arab "brethren" ... and isn't it about time that they woke up?

Even Rip Van Winkle slept for only 20 years ... the Pals have been asleep for 60. I don't know how you define stupidity ... but that sure looks like it to me.

P.S. You're intelligent enough to realize ... or you should be ... that once you resort to personal attacks and name-calling ... you've clearly demonstrated that you've lost the argument.

Originally Posted by pgardn

You live in a Lebanese neighborhood. You own a small market and live modestly in a small house. Hezbollah guerrillas under intense attack move into your neighborhood, set up their rockets to fire.

Do you rise up with your neighbors and throw the armed men out? Hell no, they will kill you. So the rockets are fired and the guerrillas move to a new neighborhood. Next thing that occurs is your neighborhood is destroyed by Israeli bombs. What the crud are you supposed to do? Your government cannot control the guerillas.

1. The guerrillas are willing to sacrifice you and your family for the "greater" war.
2. Israel will hit the neighborhood knowing full well civilians that live there that have nothing to do with the war will be killed even, if you have been warned to leave, your life is destroyed.

And now on a Palestinian "Representative" says the Hezbollah kidnappings were a natural reaction to what was happening in Gaza. And the Hezbollah missles are an attempt to defend themselves?????? Exactly what, as a peaceful person living in Lebanon, are you supposed to do? Who do you hate for this? Who do you blame for ruining your livelyhood?

It is complex. But its pretty clear to me what the answers to these questions are.

Again ... your premise is faulty. You write as if Hezbollah were something which fell from the sky one day ... like a meteorite ... and the helpless Lebanese could do nothing about it.

The Christian Lebanese did their best to prevent terror and dictatorship from taking hold ... the Muslim Lebanese not only didn't fight it ... they encouraged it.

Most Christians left Lebanon when they saw it was hopeless ... can you say "Danny Thomas" and "Jamie Farr"? The Muslims didn't ... thinking that the terrorists were their "friends" ... and now .... many years later ... they're reaping the whirlwind for their complicity with evil.

[GenuineRisk]

And here's something lovely (not)-- this is from andrewsullivan's website (he's a conservative blogger I like to read). A letter writer to him posted it. "USG" is United States Government, of course:

"On your most recent posting quoting about how the USG is bankrupt, and cannot pay its "creditors". I think they have figured out one way to take care of it: charge their citizens for emergency services.

I am currently enrolled in an intensive summer arabic program at the American University in Beirut, and am holed up at the university, probably the safest place in the city right now. Basically my choices have been to make a run for the border with Syria and try to catch a flight out, or wait for the USG to carry out the evacuation plan. Because I heard reports about the dangers of the former (and based on a statement by the American embassy), I opted for the latter. They are finally getting everything together today, but they dropped a little surprise: they are going to be billing us for giving us emergency transport to Cyprus, and then basically dropping us off on our own to get commercial flights back to the US. Most other goverrnments evacuating people here are actually flying them back to their home country without cost. But not the USG. They are perfectly happy to fund the World Toilet Summit (in Ireland, if my memory is correct) to the tune of $13 million or something. But 25,000 or so Americans stranded in the middle of a (quite unexpected) war zone? They better be ready to pay up if they want out."

Great. Just great. But by God, the wealthy DESERVE those tax cuts!

[Downthestretch55]

Genuine Risk,
I've stayed away from posting on this thread.
It was actually a bit "entertaining" to watch Pgardn and Bold Fraud go at it.

However, I have seen enough. The family that was driving north to the border that got hit, and the father of the eight children, who said "Oh God!
How can I tell my children? They are all so badly burned that I can't recognize them."
At least the Americans have a way out, even if they have to pay for it.
Unfortunately, the stupidity of present actions is only going to cause more resentment and retaliation. Do the "Powers that be" expect anything less?
Is this part of the plan to create even more "terrorists"?

Expect Bold A-hole to respond to this. He usually does, even brings his Townhall propaganda garbage. However, I am addressing this to YOU, not Bold A-hole. Let him start his own thread if he feels that what he has to say is SO VERY important.
Here's something that you might want to read to see the differences between the ways that the unfortunate victims of the carnage are attempting to escape.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0717-04.htm

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Genuine Risk,
I've stayed away from posting on this thread.
It was actually a bit "entertaining" to watch Pgardn and Bold Fraud go at it.

However, I have seen enough. The family that was driving north to the border that got hit, and the father of the eight children, who said "Oh God!
How can I tell my children? They are all so badly burned that I can't recognize them."
At least the Americans have a way out, even if they have to pay for it.
Unfortunately, the stupidity of present actions is only going to cause more resentment and retaliation. Do the "Powers that be" expect anything less?
Is this part of the plan to create even more "terrorists"?

Expect Bold A-hole to respond to this. He usually does, even brings his Townhall propaganda garbage. However, I am addressing this to YOU, not Bold A-hole. Let him start his own thread if he feels that what he has to say is SO VERY important.
Here's something that you might want to read to see the differences between the ways that the unfortunate victims of the carnage are attempting to escape.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0717-04.htm

Well, you don't have to wait for BB...I'll respond. I wish we had weapons with intelligence so that only the enemy was hit, the US conducted the most "humane" war (talk about an oximoron) in history when we invaded Iraq...every effort was made to limit civilian casualties, yet there were many horror stories like the ones in the article...IT SIMPLY ISN'T POSSIBLE to wage war and not kill folks, and the innocent die just like the guilty! It's still all smoke and mirrors, attempting to blame the Israeli people for defending their country against the savages attacking them...won't work!!! Tell a million horror stories, that fact will always remain!

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

this is from andrewsullivan's website (he's a conservative blogger I like to read).

For the record: Andrew Sullivan is a leftist former New York Times reporter ... who is also openly homosexual and a crusader for homosexual rights.

Not that there's anything wrong with that ...

... but let's just keep the facts straight.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Most other goverrnments evacuating people here are actually flying them back to their home country without cost. But not the USG. They are perfectly happy to fund the World Toilet Summit (in Ireland, if my memory is correct) to the tune of $13 million or something. But 25,000 or so Americans stranded in the middle of a (quite unexpected) war zone? They better be ready to pay up if they want out."

And the point of this completely unverifiable personal anecdote ... from an unidentified source ... is ... ?

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Well, you don't have to wait for BB...I'll respond. I wish we had weapons with intelligence so that only the enemy was hit, the US conducted the most "humane" war (talk about an oximoron) in history when we invaded Iraq...every effort was made to limit civilian casualties, yet there were many horror stories like the ones in the article...IT SIMPLY ISN'T POSSIBLE to wage war and not kill folks, and the innocent die just like the guilty! It's still all smoke and mirrors, attempting to blame the Israeli people for defending their country against the savages attacking them...won't work!!! Tell a million horror stories, that fact will always remain!

Somer,
This is always interesting. Smoke and mirrors, indeed!
Recent reports from Afghanistan show that the Taliban has regained control of two districts, opium crop (remember the "war on drugs"?) is bumper.
Iraq is going down in flames of civil war.
Now this overly aggressive response by Israel to the kidnapping of two soldiers.
Horror stories??? Far too many.
"Humane war"???

Never happened yet.

The innocents suffer for the mistakes of others.
Same old, same old.

Question: Do you honestly think that our present leadership will in anyway influence the current outcomes?

I'm interested in your take on this... and btw, those rockets aren't manufactured in Iran. They come from China. Can I buy some at Walmart?
Oh! I almost forgot to mention who holds the notes on the US deficit...you know who, don't you?