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Old 02-06-2008, 02:55 PM
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Besides finding out who won and lost ... you can't learn a damn thing from a box score....

The major exception being hockey in the regular season.

The box score lists the exact times that the fights happened - and when all the satellite channels show the replays of the games - I'd try to tune in and catch as many as I can.
Very true. YET, there are many out there playing races by doing 'calculations' of data that claim they not only are successful BUT also know the game.

So, why wouldn't I know more about these sports by crunching data than the guys spending 20 hours a day in the film room or those out there scouting the opposition? Imagine all the money that these franchises could save by emulating the PA model.
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Old 02-06-2008, 05:09 PM
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Not to be a di ck, and I know you're also kidding around, but that's kind of my point about these races.....they're fool's gold. They suck us in because we feel like a detective hunting around for clues and in reality they are the ultimate guessing game ( unless you are genuinely connected to actually good information ) and these races are a losing proposition. But....they suck you in.
I expect our differing opinions about these races probably relate to our different reasons for handicapping races in the first place. I enjoy feeling like "a detective hunting around for clues" because I am a small-time/part-time player who treats the game as a hobby. If I lose a lot of the time, it isn't a big deal because I rarely make large wagers. For me it is just a thing I dabble in for fun (with the possible exception of the Arlington meet, which I take rather seriously).
For someone like you that depends on picking winners for a living, I imagine the kind of speculation involved in betting a race full of firsters is understandably far less appealing.
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Old 02-07-2008, 11:23 AM
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You also do work that very few people do.

Doesn't everyone watch hundreds of OBS 2 year old in training sale videos and compile a top 100 list of the best moving fastest horses?
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Old 02-07-2008, 11:42 AM
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Doesn't everyone watch hundreds of OBS 2 year old in training sale videos and compile a top 100 list of the best moving fastest horses?

Somewhere between everyone and one person.
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Old 02-07-2008, 11:42 AM
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I expect our differing opinions about these races probably relate to our different reasons for handicapping races in the first place. I enjoy feeling like "a detective hunting around for clues" because I am a small-time/part-time player who treats the game as a hobby. If I lose a lot of the time, it isn't a big deal because I rarely make large wagers. For me it is just a thing I dabble in for fun (with the possible exception of the Arlington meet, which I take rather seriously).
For someone like you that depends on picking winners for a living, I imagine the kind of speculation involved in betting a race full of firsters is understandably far less appealing.

I understand and agree with you.
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Old 02-07-2008, 12:49 PM
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I expect our differing opinions about these races probably relate to our different reasons for handicapping races in the first place. I enjoy feeling like "a detective hunting around for clues" because I am a small-time/part-time player who treats the game as a hobby. If I lose a lot of the time, it isn't a big deal because I rarely make large wagers. For me it is just a thing I dabble in for fun (with the possible exception of the Arlington meet, which I take rather seriously).
For someone like you that depends on picking winners for a living, I imagine the kind of speculation involved in betting a race full of firsters is understandably far less appealing.
I'm with miraja. I enjoy what I can from the game, when I can.
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Old 02-08-2008, 01:45 AM
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The DH sons finished 1,2.
http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...020708USA7.pdf
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