"best horse I've ever ridden"

[Travis Stone]

Remember Red Bullet skipped the Derby for the Preakness, awfully smart move, paid off huge.

Oh yea, FuPeg is extremely over-rated as both a horse AND now a sire.

[AeWingnut]

speaking of overrated

Remember AP Valentine

so much for perfect confirmation

which Fusaichi Pegasus was said to have

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm no Smarty fan but FuPeg couldn't hold his jockstrap in a suitcase. Don't give me that sticky track in the Preakness crap. That was his chance to get positioned to do something great and he ran horribly. A late season win in a terrible rendition of the Jerome did nothing to atone for that effort.

Overrated = FuPeg.

NT

Im not defending FP.. but how was that Jerome terrible?

Fusaichi Pegasus, El Corredor, Albert The Great, Hook And Ladder...

A field like that would be considered remarkably deep nowadays...

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

ok ok my main point is he is tons better then big brown, and i feel confident big brown will never accomplish even close to what he did, maybe i did overhype fupeg, i did slam him in that derby at 2-1, i tend to overhype horses sometimes

How do you, or anyone else know how good Big Brown is? Kent may be off his rocker (quite possible), but he also could end up being right.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

speaking of overrated

Remember AP Valentine

so much for perfect confirmation

which Fusaichi Pegasus was said to have

All that gold, they could at least have someone use a grass trimmer around
the outsides of that thing.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

Im not defending FP.. but how was that Jerome terrible?

Fusaichi Pegasus, El Corredor, Albert The Great, Hook And Ladder...

A field like that would be considered remarkably deep nowadays...

Yeah, I fixed that for myself, it was a strong race.

NT

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I had 50 grand on FuPeg in the Derby. I remember telling my mom to take some of the winnings and buy some new tits.

Did Mom appear in the Beulah thread??

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Fu Peg was a monster and legendary? On what planet?

Planet Japan

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It ain't like Fu Peg and Real Quiet were legends, so why not? Sure it's hyperbole, but the sky may be the limit with this one.

Kent was Formal Gold's regular rider back when he strung together a trio of Beyer figs of 125 or more.

Fu Peg or Real Quiet couldn't warm up Formal Gold when he was on his game.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Remember Red Bullet skipped the Derby for the Preakness, awfully smart move, paid off huge.

Oh yea, FuPeg is extremely over-rated as both a horse AND now a sire.

Fu Peg as a sire is almost a instant maiden throw out in their first 2 starts. Real head cases. I dont like them.

[Star of the North]

I happened to catch the race in real time on HRTV and the part that doesn't make sense was Jeff Siegel's reaction. Not thirty seconds past the wire, he's calling him "The best colt in the country."

Here's a guy that's been connected to a couple of really good ones making that kind of statement.

On April 18 last year, Godolphin rolled out a 4-year named Rondo who drilled an allowance field at Gulfstream in a similar fashion after winning by nine in his previous start eight months prior at Saratoga.

Rondo was beaten in an optional claimer at Belmont at 1-5 odds the following month and for all intents, was never heard from again.

Maybe there's memo out at HRTV that's calling for some hype to help viewership for the big race at Gulfstream.

DMM

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Star of the North

I happened to catch the race in real time on HRTV and the part that doesn't make sense was Jeff Siegel's reaction. Not thirty seconds past the wire, he's calling him "The best colt in the country."

Here's a guy that's been connected to a couple of really good ones making that kind of statement.

On April 18 last year, Godolphin rolled out a 4-year named Rondo who drilled an allowance field at Gulfstream in a similar fashion after winning by nine in his previous start eight months prior at Saratoga.

Rondo was beaten in an optional claimer at Belmont at 1-5 odds the following month and for all intents, was never heard from again.

Maybe there's memo out at HRTV that's calling for some hype to help viewership for the big race at Gulfstream.

DMM

Interesting point. I am not going to argue about Kent's comments, or about Siegel's opinion for that matter. However, just as a point of reference, Jeff Siegel wasn't just "connected" to some really good horses. His role was much more than that. Although most people here may know about Siegel, being a co-founder/partner in Team Valor (and their predecessor operation), most people here don't know the details and specifics, his role, etc.

There is a huge difference between handicapping (picking out a good horse to bet on) and identifying talent (picking out a good horse to buy, own, etc.).

Eric

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by ELA

Interesting point. I am not going to argue about Kent's comments, or about Siegel's opinion for that matter. However, just as a point of reference, Jeff Siegel wasn't just "connected" to some really good horses. His role was much more than that. Although most people here may know about Siegel, being a co-founder/partner in Team Valor (and their predecessor operation), most people here don't know the details and specifics, his role, etc.

There is a huge difference between handicapping (picking out a good horse to bet on) and identifying talent (picking out a good horse to buy, own, etc.).

Eric

Despite their prominence amongst racing syndicates, has Team Valor really been all that productive?

Outside of Prized (who was one of the early Clover Racing Stable horses) and Star of Cozzene (another Clover Racing horse) I can't really think of any horses that they campaigned successfully that weren't already well established at the time of purchase.

[AeWingnut]

as recently as last year or was it the year before they took come South African filly to Dubai and won a big race.

How much success do you expect from them?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

as recently as last year or was it the year before they took come South African filly to Dubai and won a big race.

How much success do you expect from them?

I was basically replying to the statement about Jeff Siegel's eye for horses (as apparently he thinks the world of Big Brown). Outside of the 2 I mentioned, who I think still had allowance conditions at the time, I can't think of any particularly astute purchases they made recently.

They bought into Ipi Tombe after she had already won various accolades in South Africa. I don't think you needed to have been particularly adept at judging racing talent to be able to identify Ipi Tombe as the best horse in South Africa at the time, given her illustrious record. That was 5 years ago by the way.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

They bought King of the Roxy before he was established - not like he is any world beater.

Did they buy Captain Bodgit before or after the Lrl Futurity?

[Star of the North]

I was only knocking Jeff's apparent over-reaction to Big Brown's easy victory over suspect competition. I happen to think Barry and Jeff are very good judges of horseflesh and their overall record in syndicating profitable runners is an admirable one. To a certain extent West Point's recent success has eclipsed the other major racing partnerships in terms of getting press.

That said, Visionaire looks like the latest in a series of solid syndications for Team Valor.

It appears that Jeff is no longer a player in the Team Valor venture. Can anyone shed some light as to why?

DMM

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

They bought King of the Roxy before he was established - not like he is any world beater.

Did they buy Captain Bodgit before or after the Lrl Futurity?

I think they got Capt. Bodgit after the Laurel Futurity.

They certainly have won big races like the Big Cap, Atto Mile, Santa Anita Derby, etc. but a lot of those were one-hit wonder-types. Prized and Star Of Cozzene were the only horses I recall that held Grade 1-calibur form for several races.

[Star of the North]

....Golden Ballet, Cashier's Dream, Irridescence, etc. etc.

They have them listed at their website:

http://teamvalor.com/famous.htm

DMM

[Cajungator26]

I couldn't stand FuPig. I don't care for him as a sire either... agree with others that he typically throws a bunch of headcases.