4/5 (HAW): Illinois Derby (Gr. II)

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by favoritetrick

Not feeling good about Denis of Cork - what I'm hearing second hand from Carroll is that this is not his race choice. His hands are tied - he doesn't listen to the Warrens and the horse is taken away from him, he follows orders and the horse runs bad there and he's to blame.

Besides, he doesn't need to win this race. A 3rd place finish would give him $40,000 and lift his earnings to $190K, which should be sufficient to make the field.

Interesting stuff. I think Steve has pretty much said the same thing about DoC.

I am looking for Atoned to run big.

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by Scav

Also note, the return of Louis Roussel III, or at least his name on the program. My guess is that Lara is still doing all the work but he always wins races in Chicago, I would consider Recapturetheglory a little in your exotics....

It is Louis Roussel: http://www.drf.com/news/article/92575.html

He and Ronnie LaMarque (Risen Star connections thus the name) were both there to saddle him at the Fairgrounds.

If you have CD/FG log in the archives are still up 2/29/08 R8. Came in third in an N1X Allowance on the turf. 5 starts - 1-1-2
Nice looking colt and it was fun to see them both back in the paddock.
Oh and his 1 win came at Hawthorne.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by FGFan

It is Louis Roussel: http://www.drf.com/news/article/92575.html

He and Ronnie LaMarque (Risen Star connections thus the name) were both there to saddle him at the Fairgrounds.

If you have CD/FG log in the archives are still up 2/29/08 R8. Came in third in an N1X Allowance on the turf. 5 starts - 1-1-2
Nice looking colt and it was fun to see them both back in the paddock.
Oh and his 1 win came at Hawthorne.

If he is in Chicago, the horse will run well. Lara takes care of his stable when it is up here.....One of the best angles was when they would have like three entered on a card, and all of a sudden Roussel was in the Arlington paddock, at least two of them was going to win that day.

I follow his stable real closely

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by Scav

If he is in Chicago, the horse will run well. Lara takes care of his stable when it is up here.....One of the best angles was when they would have like three entered on a card, and all of a sudden Roussel was in the Arlington paddock, at least two of them was going to win that day.

I follow his stable real closely

Lara or Roussel?
Lara was hot, hot, hot at the beginning of the FG meet, then he went to Oaklawn.
(EDIT:Oooops, I was thinking of Jorge Lara, scratch that statement.)

Yeah, it's good to see Roussel come back, he has aged though.
They got nice write up from Bob Fortus in the Times Picayune sports section.
They both looked happy in the paddock on the 29th, thought Ronnie LaMarque was going to break out in a song....

I'll be interested to see what the colt does on Sat. big step up, but like you said I wouldn't leave him out either.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by favoritetrick

Not feeling good about Denis of Cork - what I'm hearing second hand from Carroll is that this is not his race choice. His hands are tied - he doesn't listen to the Warrens and the horse is taken away from him, he follows orders and the horse runs bad there and he's to blame.

Besides, he doesn't need to win this race. A 3rd place finish would give him $40,000 and lift his earnings to $190K, which should be sufficient to make the field.

Why, thank you Favorite Trick

Though I would think the horse needs to win if they want to go the the Big Dance

The race is unbettable, to me

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Mike

Why, thank you Favorite Trick

Though I would think the horse needs to win if they want to go the the Big Dance

The race is unbettable, to me

Why would he need to win in order to go? If he runs a decent race and cashes a check that guarantees him a spot in the gate, why wouldn't they go?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by FGFan

Lara or Roussel?
Lara was hot, hot, hot at the beginning of the FG meet, then he went to Oaklawn.
(EDIT:Oooops, I was thinking of Jorge Lara, scratch that statement.)

Yeah, it's good to see Roussel come back, he has aged though.
They got nice write up from Bob Fortus in the Times Picayune sports section.
They both looked happy in the paddock on the 29th, thought Ronnie LaMarque was going to break out in a song....

I'll be interested to see what the colt does on Sat. big step up, but like you said I wouldn't leave him out either.

If he is up here, which is sounds like he might be (especially because of the two maidens debuting right after) then the horse has a huge shot to run real well. I am guessing he might only need 2nd money to get into the picture, because of his 3rd place in that race at Churchill.

Two of his horses are favorites of mine, Zarb's Magic and In Secure, Zarb's Magic was an Arlington legend, just never lost her, not really sure what happened to him, but I think he would be about 12 or 13 now.

In Secure was a homebred of his by AP Indy. She ran in the Prioress as a 3 year old and was the nuts that day at like 12/1, they absolutely loved her and she ran HUGE, but got a real bad ride by Chavez (He tried putting her through a hole that didn't exist). Didn't see her after that. I just saw the other day that she had has two babies, one by Gulch and the other by Tale of the Cat, both were promptly put into the stable mail, my guess is we will see them at Arlington this summer.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Why would he need to win in order to go? If he runs a decent race and cashes a check that guarantees him a spot in the gate, why wouldn't they go?

They could still go for the fun and hoopla, but ...



...you know what? I stand corrected. I was thinking Dennis of Cork hadn't run since late last fall, but he ran in February

I'll still pass the race wagering, but if Dennis is within two lengths at the finish Saturday I'd say go to the Derby, too

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Scav

In Secure was a homebred of his by AP Indy. She ran in the Prioress as a 3 year old and was the nuts that day at like 12/1, they absolutely loved her and she ran HUGE, but got a real bad ride by Chavez (He tried putting her through a hole that didn't exist). Didn't see her after that. I just saw the other day that she had has two babies, one by Gulch and the other by Tale of the Cat, both were promptly put into the stable mail, my guess is we will see them at Arlington this summer.

I totally forgot about that horse. Nice call for a couple memories.

Pedigreequery says she foaled a St. Liam in 2007, too.

[miraja2]

I wouldn't completely rule out using the longest shot on the board (the Illinois horse) if the price is right.
He never ran a step over the tires in Kentucky, but his last two races over this surface are actually fairly competitive with these colts. His last race here was particularly nice, and a repeat of that performance could make him a factor. Being reunited with Emigh is also a big plus in my book.
He isn't a likely winner, but if you are going deep or playing exotics, I think he might be worth a play if the price is right.

[Danzig]

supposedly denis of cork is supposed to run well in his next start, not this one...if you listen to the powers that be when they explain their rationale for leaving oaklawn and skipping a prep. based on that, i would include him underneath, but wouldn't place a win bet-especially at the odds he will be at. bettor beware, they aren't looking for a huge effort from this colt this race.

Originally Posted by Danzig

supposedly denis of cork is supposed to run well in his next start, not this one...if you listen to the powers that be when they explain their rationale for leaving oaklawn and skipping a prep. based on that, i would include him underneath, but wouldn't place a win bet-especially at the odds he will be at. bettor beware, they aren't looking for a huge effort from this colt this race.

That's trainer speak...and what most people refer to as polishing a turd.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

That's trainer speak...and what most people refer to as polishing a turd.

possibly


just hope that if he doesn't fire, there won't be people squawking about how the trainer didn't have him ready to go, that it's another cover up or something of that nature. they've been pretty open about the way they were working towards the derby....as to whether it works for them is another story....

[Scav]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I totally forgot about that horse. Nice call for a couple memories.

Pedigreequery says she foaled a St. Liam in 2007, too.

That Prioress raceday was one of the largest beats of my life. I really stepped out on her and got out of my comfort zone but I just knew she was going to run well there.

She was wheeled up and down in every exotic possible, large WP on her and I can't remember if she was p3 or p4 singled....It was brutal...

here, relive my heart attack

http://www.nyra.com/Belmont/Broadcas...ring2003.html#

And go down to the Prioress, she was the three horse

[JJP]

If Dennis of Cork was pointed for this, wouldn't Albarado be in to ride him? Nothing against Leparoux but his extremely patient style probably will not serve him well this Saturday at Hawthorne. All I know is if you're a rider, you find a highly regarded 3YO colt and he takes precedence over the other mounts. Of course, Albarado may be thinking DoC's win was a product of a blazing pace that fell apart late.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by JJP

If Dennis of Cork was pointed for this, wouldn't Albarado be in to ride him? Nothing against Leparoux but his extremely patient style probably will not serve him well this Saturday at Hawthorne. All I know is if you're a rider, you find a highly regarded 3YO colt and he takes precedence over the other mounts. Of course, Albarado may be thinking DoC's win was a product of a blazing pace that fell apart late.

julian is tons better then robby TONS
i would want leparoux anyday over robby

[Oaklawnfan]

Man how do you figure this? Julien is tons better than Robby. What's the matter? Robbie would be tired after winning in Dubai? Never the mind, Dennis of Cork is the real deal. I am not going to start backing up to these posts anymore. Julien is a great rider and I hope he enjoys smokin' them at Sportsman's, excuse me, Hawthorne. Denis for President.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

julian is tons better then robby TONS
i would want leparoux anyday over robby

I don't know if he's the right rider for this race on Saturday. He's great on the synthetic tracks and grass because he wants to wait, wait some more then wait even longer.

As for Albarado, that's a questionable move by the agent. The money for 3YO colts/geldings is so good you have to follow them and pick up other stakes runners when you can. His mount in the Ashland is a contender, but by no means is a lock.

[Scav]

I think Albarado's jump was more about Carroll wanting a two race committment, but don't quote me on that...

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

I think Albarado's jump was more about Carroll wanting a two race committment, but don't quote me on that...

Or about not telling Frankel to f*** off.