Rule explanation, thanks

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

I disagree...they had their chance to get Graded earnings the same as the others. It's like the last team out in the NCAA tournament. Win your conference and you're in no matter what. The horses that would be bumped by Eight Belles chose their path and didn't get the job done. It's not like they would have much of a shot anyway, while on paper, this filly ranks up the list.

you're just saying that b/c its easier for you to cap 19 rather then 20.

I honestly believe it's a dick move, but a fair move. And its not like this horse is a Rags to Riches type horse, she hasn't dominated every field she faced, but the fact that the field is soo week this year has people taking these types of shots

-bt-

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by philcski

Nope, 2002. The one excluded would have been the other speed in the race (i forget the name of the horse). Instead, War Emblem had it his own way up front, and the rest is history.

Think that's incorrect. The excluded horse was Windward Passage. The horse that would have provided pace company for War Emblem that declared from the race before the draw was Booklet.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Think that's incorrect. The excluded horse was Windward Passage. The horse that would have provided pace company for War Emblem that declared from the race before the draw was Booklet.

Ah yes, you're right. Booklet was the horse I was thinking of and he wasn't excluded but rather declared out. Joey had the one that was excluded- won the Rebel but just missed on earnings anyways.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

I disagree...they had their chance to get Graded earnings the same as the others. It's like the last team out in the NCAA tournament. Win your conference and you're in no matter what. The horses that would be bumped by Eight Belles chose their path and didn't get the job done. It's not like they would have much of a shot anyway, while on paper, this filly ranks up the list.

Absolutely agree here. Anytime there is a cutoff in anything, the last one out always complains. The NCAA tournament one is a good analogy. They have all season to build a resume. They have a second chance in their conference tournament. Then want to complain when they don't make it. Everyone knows ahead of time what is required. There are a million races to chose from starting as a 2yo to get the earnings they need. If you didn't make it, you have nobody else to blame for that. And honestly, who cares if the 21st or 22nd horse doesn't make it? It's not like she's keeping Big Brown or Colonel John out of the race. The reality is that there are maybe 5-10 horses that belong and the rest don't. I think people are looking at this the wrong way when they say that her entry would be keeping someone else out. It won't. That other horse had every opportunity to earn it's way in and keep it out of Porter's hands but didn't make it.

[TheSpyder]

No, the point I'm making is if she's in and then drops out because the post does not suite them, I'd be pissed if I could have been in the race if that would not of happened. If you worked our whole life to have a horse and the Derby and that happened, you wouldn't be mad?...please. It's obvious with 20 horses many don't belong but just having a horse in the race is a dream for many.

Spyder

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Absolutely agree here. Anytime there is a cutoff in anything, the last one out always complains. The NCAA tournament one is a good analogy. They have all season to build a resume. They have a second chance in their conference tournament. Then want to complain when they don't make it. Everyone knows ahead of time what is required. There are a million races to chose from starting as a 2yo to get the earnings they need. If you didn't make it, you have nobody else to blame for that. And honestly, who cares if the 21st or 22nd horse doesn't make it? It's not like she's keeping Big Brown or Colonel John out of the race. The reality is that there are maybe 5-10 horses that belong and the rest don't. I think people are looking at this the wrong way when they say that her entry would be keeping someone else out. It won't. That other horse had every opportunity to earn it's way in and keep it out of Porter's hands but didn't make it.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

No, the point I'm making is if she's in and then drops out because the post does not suite them, I'd be pissed if I could have been in the race if that would not of happened. If you worked our whole life to have a horse and the Derby and that happened, you wouldn't be mad?...please. It's obvious with 20 horses many don't belong but just having a horse in the race is a dream for many.

Spyder

I get that but I think that it's wrong to blame them for something that you didn't do and that's earn your way in. You wouldn't be out of the race because she was entered, you would be out because you didn't earn the chance on the track when you had the chance. I'm not saying that if I was the owner of that 21st horse that I wouldn't be upset. I probably would. But in the end, I would hope that I'd realize that I had every opportunity to keep control of the situation and not leave it in the hands of someone else. My old coach used to always teach us to take care of our business and never leave anything in the hands of the referee or the judges because then, it's out of your control.

[TheSpyder]

I hear what your saying and I think we agree...only point was I'd be pretty mad if they did that and it cost me my chance...but I totally agree with your point.

Spyder

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I get that but I think that it's wrong to blame them for something that you didn't do and that's earn your way in. You wouldn't be out of the race because she was entered, you would be out because you didn't earn the chance on the track when you had the chance. I'm not saying that if I was the owner of that 21st horse that I wouldn't be upset. I probably would. But in the end, I would hope that I'd realize that I had every opportunity to keep control of the situation and not leave it in the hands of someone else. My old coach used to always teach us to take care of our business and never leave anything in the hands of the referee or the judges because then, it's out of your control.

[Danzig]

it's very simple, prevail upon the powers that be at churchill to allow AE's. that fixes the problem more readily than worrying about a possible scratch. it also removes a danthebluegrassman type deal, as everyone felt he was only entered to keep the horse in 21st from starting, with NO intention of DTBGM running-unlike what you have here with eight belles.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

No, the point I'm making is if she's in and then drops out because the post does not suite them, I'd be pissed if I could have been in the race if that would not of happened. If you worked our whole life to have a horse and the Derby and that happened, you wouldn't be mad?...please. It's obvious with 20 horses many don't belong but just having a horse in the race is a dream for many.

Spyder

I understand what you are saying, but I still think they had their shot to EARN their way in, which they didn't do. I'd be just as mad at myself for not placing my horse where he could pick up a few more graded bucks to get in (Dennis of Cork).