Definite Derby Throw Outs

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by Scav

you don't like Proud Spell at all if she runs in the Derby, I know she is only 15%, but if she did run, I would definetely be using her.

I agree... I think both fillies would have a good shot to run in the money. I don't know that they can win if BB or Pyro "fire", but I would have a hard time leaving them off my tickets.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by smuthg

I agree... I think both fillies would have a good shot to run in the money. I don't know that they can win if BB or Pyro "fire", but I would have a hard time leaving them off my tickets.

Do not like Eight Belles at all, matter of fact, I don't like her in the Oaks either

[KirisClown]

Any filly that decides to run...

[hockey2315]

Definite tosses no matter what:

Anak Nakal
Behindatthebar
Big Truck
Bob Blackjack
Court Vision
Cowboy Cal
Recapturetheglory
Visionaire
Z Humor

and possibly Adriano

Only for the bottom of TRIs:

Eight Belles
Gayego
Monba
Tale of Ekati

[slotdirt]

Didn't we just have this thread last week?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Scav

Big Brown
Recapturetheglory
Z Humor
Monba
Cool Coal Man
Cowboy Cal
Big Truck
Halo Najib IF he gets in

I think you're making a BIG mistake by tossing Cool Coal Man, Scav. Don't say I didn't warn you. . .

[Scav]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I think you're making a BIG mistake by tossing Cool Coal Man, Scav. Don't say I didn't warn you. . .

I think he tripped out in his two races at Gulfstream this year....I don't have the races in front of me but I just think that while he is a good horse, he has gotten the benefit of decent trips. I could be wrong about this though.

Obviously the list I posted is a tenative list, who knows what I will do come Derby Day...Tilt city could be happening and I go up the window and say "Give me $1000 to win on Anak Nakal"

[Scav]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree. Especially because he likes Anak Nakal, who seems like a total toss to me. And I know he won at Churchill, but he basically lucked into a perfect trip.

I take it this is going to be used against me for a very long time

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I think you're making a BIG mistake by tossing Cool Coal Man, Scav. Don't say I didn't warn you. . .

What do you guys see in him? His win in the FOY was a perfect set up. Ground saving trip on a track that favors inside posts and stalked the slowest of fractions. Otherwise he hasn't done anything.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Not at all. It's not like you thought Spring House had a chance to hit the board in that turf race in Dubai, 'sup DrugS.

And you are right, Cool Coal Man did have good trips in his 2 races at Gulfstream. But Anak Nakal has been pretty bad since he fell into the win in the KY jockey Club. Like Travis said, at his odds, it's hard for me or anyone else to talk you off him, but I don't see it.

My only angle is this, maybe Zito hasn't tighten the screws. He has been making moves and flattening out.

I mean, listen, he got a great trip in his win at Churchill, but I just don't think people can toss him given his pedigree, his win at Churchill, expected trip, and the assumption that Zito has taken his time with him given the fact that he had the earnings to do so

[hockey2315]

I won't deny that Cool Coal Man got pretty nice set-ups in his two wins this year, but I think he's a horse who makes his own trip. He's got nice stalking speed and I like that he'll be forwardly placed in the derby but not TOO close to a pace that COULD be fast or may turn out to be more moderate than some of us expect. I also thought that he made a VERY nice move in the FoY. He's got a win at CD where he beat Recapturetheglory pretty easily, he's 2-for-2 at 9F on dirt and has the pedigree to run all day. His 98 BSF stacks up pretty well with this group and he'll be a pretty big price. Sold yet?

[GPK]

I can think of about 20 horses that I feel fairly comfortable in saying they have no shot to win.

I have taken off work every Derby day for the past 5 years...not this year. Zero interest in any of this group. Just a bunch of slow horses.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

[deltagulf]

they might be slow but that is all we have for derby. and one horse will win
if slow are not.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by GPK

I can think of about 20 horses that I feel fairly comfortable in saying they have no shot to win.

I have taken off work every Derby day for the past 5 years...not this year. Zero interest in any of this group. Just a bunch of slow horses.

It's the Derby and you have a pulse. You'll be calling in.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It's the Derby and you have a pulse. You'll be calling in.

OK....so I MIGHT stop by the OTB on the way home to watch it after work. But I'm not taking the full day off and sitting at the OTB all day, as I have years past. Already gonna be gone 3 days that week for a golf tournament in Maryland. Not gonna waste a vacation day on this years Derby.


That whole pulse thing is questionable at times though...

[tiggerv]

Fair enough although not sold. I don't think he will get the pace nor trip he needs to seriously contend. The Derby pace may not be blistering but it is never slow.

I wouldn't advocate throwing him out based on the pedigree and trainer but he would need a big move forward to hit the board.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

Not sure this will be any easier but since picking the standout winner in near impossible, who will you definately throw out of your picks and why?

Let the fun begin.

Spyder

ALL the "slow" horses

[fpsoxfan]

There's no doubt that this is not a great Derby Field. But the pulse thing is a little over the top. Derby Day is a blast. I don't care if there's 10 donkeys going into the gate, it's going to be exciting. This will be my 20th Derby since I began following horses and there hasn't been a year when "Derby Day" hasn't been a good time.

Even if someone doesn't like the Derby itself, how about the undercard?
If people really feel this way about the Derby than maybe you're in the wrong sport.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

There's no doubt that this is not a great Derby Field. But the pulse thing is a little over the top. Derby Day is a blast. I don't care if there's 10 donkeys going into the gate, it's going to be exciting. This will be my 20th Derby since I began following horses and there hasn't been a year when "Derby Day" hasn't been a good time.

Even if someone doesn't like the Derby itself, how about the undercard?
If people really feel this way about the Derby than maybe you're in the wrong sport.

If you're referring to what I said, I don't think you understand what I meant.

My point was that Derby day is awesome and if you have a pulse, you'll enjoy it regardless of how crappy the field is.