IEAH still whining, threatening to go to Haskell - Page 2

stonegossard · #21 06-10-2008, 03:59 PM

Speaking of Frank Lyons.....he wouldnt shut his fat trap all Belmont week..even said he thought that BB is the best horse EVER to step on a racetrack. Probably had one too many budweisers before he said that. It's funny how nobody has heard a peep from Lyons since.

The Bid · #22 06-10-2008, 03:59 PM

The Moran article is good

Lyons is probably looking for the next coolmore castoff to buy for IEAH now that Frost Giant has shown everyone what a crow he is.

He does deserve some credit for Ariege. As slow as she is, she is a G1 winner. She was well spotted and not a bad buy compared to some they have went after

ShadowRoll · #23 06-10-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

not a good example because he gets slammed more than anyone.

You're right about that. But plenty of people involved in this sport are vocal in the media. A lot of them probably do it for tactical reasons (although you can never discount the possibility that they might just be an a$$hole). Iavarone's not unique, nor is he the worst one.

slotdirt · #24 06-10-2008, 04:26 PM

Everytime I see that picture of Moran's website, I can't remember whether I'm looking at a racing blog or a preview of one of Vincent Price's movies.

asudevil · #25 06-10-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am quite sure they would like to get Big Brown back to the races this summer. Considering all the value he has lost, he now has more upside than downside, and racing him is what they need to do. However, I will be extremely surprised if he can get back to the racetrack this summer....if at all this year. I think Big Brown is spent.

Agree!!! He needs to be "turned out" for 90 days minimum. In mid October they can take him off the farm and decide the next move.

CSC · #26 06-10-2008, 04:32 PM

I feel sorry for the horse, he is hated by association to the Owner and Trainer. He really isn't a bad horse, but it's sure hard rooting for him with those 2 constantly putting their foots in their mouths.

ArlJim78 · #27 06-10-2008, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowRoll

You're right about that. But plenty of people involved in this sport are vocal in the media. A lot of them probably do it for tactical reasons (although you can never discount the possibility that they might just be an a$$hole). Iavarone's not unique, nor is he the worst one.

you're right, he's not the only one.

Cannon Shell · #28 06-10-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I feel sorry for the horse, he is hated by association to the Owner and Trainer. He really isn't a bad horse, but it's sure hard rooting for him with those 2 constantly putting their foots in their mouths.

I'm sure the horse doesnt care if people hate him

Dunbar · #29 06-10-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am quite sure they would like to get Big Brown back to the races this summer. Considering all the value he has lost, he now has more upside than downside, and racing him is what they need to do.

I disagree, BTW. I think there is more downside to running him again. He is still the Derby and Preakness winner. And even if he doesn't run again, there's probably a 75% chance he'll be the 3-yr-old Eclipse winner.

His loss in the Belmont was so thorough that they can find some hairline fracture to blame it on and then retire him. I think there's much better than a 50/50 chance he never runs again.

If he runs again and loses again, then they're in trouble value-wise. (Unless they find that hairline fracture and blame both races on it!)

--Dunbar

CSC · #30 06-10-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm sure the horse doesnt care if people hate him

I hope not, I read he was booed off the track after the Belmont. Well he's in good company then, they used to boo Bobby Orr everytime he touched the puck outside of Boston.

Hickory Hill Hoff · #31 06-10-2008, 04:45 PM

Retire him already!

Sick of the 'Days of Our Lives' soap opera with this bunch.

blackthroatedwind · #32 06-10-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar

I disagree, BTW. I think there is more downside to running him again. He is still the Derby and Preakness winner. And even if he doesn't run again, there's probably a 75% chance he'll be the 3-yr-old Eclipse winner.

His loss in the Belmont was so thorough that they can find some hairline fracture to blame it on and then retire him. I think there's much better than a 50/50 chance he never runs again.

If he runs again and loses again, then they're in trouble value-wise. (Unless they find that hairline fracture and blame both races on it!)

--Dunbar

I'm not saying he has no downside. But, with his breeding, he's at the bottom end of what he could be worth considering his accomplishments.

You could argue both sides. I think they want to race him to give him back some luster.

parsixfarms · #33 06-10-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I hope not, I read he was booed off the track after the Belmont. Well he's in good company then, they used to boo Bobby Orr everytime he touched the puck outside of Boston.

That's not particularly accurate. There were only a smattering of boos - from those on the apron of the track. And I'm sure some of them could have been directed at Desormeaux, as he was wrestling with the horse in the stretch.

In that vein, I remember hearing more boos for Sunday Silence when he came on the track for the 1989 Belmont when he faced "New York's Easy Goer."

Kasept · #34 06-10-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

not a good example because he gets slammed more than anyone.

Asmussen is getting 'slammed' far less than he used to.... before Curlin. In fact, Curlin has seemingly earned him some element of respectability that had eluded him.

Storm Cadet · #35 06-10-2008, 05:30 PM

http://www.wnbc.com/news/16558884/de...l?dl=mainclick

I thought of Ieah Mr Shades when I saw this Talk about a Bridgejumper!

GBBob · #36 06-10-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

http://www.wnbc.com/news/16558884/de...l?dl=mainclick

I thought of Ieah Mr Shades when I saw this Talk about a Bridgejumper!

Somebody probably threw him off

Rupert Pupkin · #37 06-10-2008, 05:32 PM

I just heard some very interesting gossip from one of my trainers. He told me that Dutrow was not happy with the way the horse looked on Thursday and Friday and that he wanted to scratch the horse but that Iavarrone pretty much insisted on running.

I'm getting this information third-hand, so there is no guarantee that it is true. The info is from a good source. If I had to bet, I would bet that it's true but I can't guarantee it.

The guy who told my trainer on Friday night, told him that he was going to bet all kind of exotics and leave Big Brown out.

The reason I am just getting the information now is because the trainer that told me is a trainer that we only have one horse with and I only talk to him once a week at the most.

ELA · #38 06-10-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I just heard some very interesting gossip from one of my trainers. He told me that Dutrow was not happy with the way the horse looked on Thursday and Friday and that he wanted to scratch the horse but that Iavarrone pretty much insisted on running.

I'm getting this information third-hand, so there is no guarantee that it is true. The info is from a good source. If I had to bet, I would bet that it's true but I can't guarantee it.

The guy who told my trainer on Friday night, told him that he was going to bet all kind of exotics and leave Big Brown out.

The reason I am just getting the information now is because the trainer that told me is a trainer that we only have one horse with and I only talk to him once a week at the most.

This is the kind of talk that always comes out of situations like this. What's even more common is that at each level the story gets more and more distorted each time it's told -- like the game children play -- "Telephone".

I wouldn't completely dismiss it, but I certainly wouldn't give it tremendous credibility like you said. Personally, I am more interested in what people like John Nerud have to say. Having been in this business my entire adult life I have always found it interesting to hear what the real legends from our sport have to say.

In this case, there will never be any real answers unless something substantial comes up in the near future -- some sort of injury or the like. Of course I hope that's not the case. Regardless, this is the kind of thing our sport truly doesn't need.

Eric

Storm Cadet · #39 06-10-2008, 05:43 PM

ELA: Then you'll love reading this!

http://news.bloodhorse.com/article/45678.htm

parsixfarms · #40 06-10-2008, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Asmussen is getting 'slammed' far less than he used to.... before Curlin. In fact, Curlin has seemingly earned him some element of respectability that had eluded him.

Dutrow's stolen the spotlight as the current "poster boy" for what ails the sport.