Does Curlin like Pro-Ride ?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So you're saying Curlin is the only horse of import that'll skip the BC because of surface? I'd be pretty surprised if that ended up being the case, considering the whole "it makes good horses look average and average horses look good" perception. You think Larry Jones is itching to run Proud Spell over Pro-Ride after how she ran on the poly?

I asked who would skip the Classic because of the surface. You came up with Pyro. Fine, if he is important than fine. Who else?

We had the same stuff after the Pacific Classic when everyone went crazy because Student Council won. My take was that it was a terrible field regardless of surface. I will go out on a limb and say that is entirely possible this year not because of the surface but because there are seemingly no good horses anyway outside of Curlin.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

Just off the top of my head.. Harlem Rocker?

Must win more than 1 race before you matter...

[Bobby Fischer]

If Heatseeker wins the Gold Cup, he should IMO skip running on that Del Mar surface altogether, including the Pacific Classic.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

If Heatseeker wins the Gold Cup, he should IMO skip running on that Del Mar surface altogether, including the Pacific Classic.

Why because it going to be a tough field?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I asked who would skip the Classic because of the surface. You came up with Pyro. Fine, if he is important than fine. Who else?

We had the same stuff after the Pacific Classic when everyone went crazy because Student Council won. My take was that it was a terrible field regardless of surface. I will go out on a limb and say that is entirely possible this year not because of the surface but because there are seemingly no good horses anyway outside of Curlin.

I said Pyro half-jokingly, because I know how much some people despise the horse. I also gave you Proud Spell as a possibility. Not sure what your definition of "matter" is, so I'm not gonna go further. The point is it'll be interesting to see who skips the BC, even if there aren't a hundred horses who do so.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I said Pyro half-jokingly, because I know how much some people despise the horse. I also gave you Proud Spell as a possibility. Not sure what your definition of "matter" is, so I'm not gonna go further. The point is it'll be interesting to see who skips the BC, even if there aren't a hundred horses who do so.

On the contrary when there are no standouts, fields tend to get larger because every owner thinks their horse has a shot. Of course if the BC would spend a few dollars to help lower the shipping costs for East coast and midwest horses they would surely get a few more entries.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why because it going to be a tough field?

Because the track is so heavy and different. It is a completely different surface from what he is going to try and win the BC Classic on. At beyond a mile at Del Mar the track starts to become an "extreme" surface. When you get to 10 furlongs it is something unique. He could very easily quit over the Del Mar surface and develop poor form.

However the owners already shipped this horse who may be the current horse most likely to win the BC Classic to Oaklawn to run on that surface, so I doubt he will skip anything.

Heatseeker could also get dusted in the Gold Cup and the point would be almost moot.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Because the track is so heavy and different. It is a completely different surface from what he is going to try and win the BC Classic on. At beyond a mile at Del Mar the track starts to become an "extreme" surface. When you get to 10 furlongs it is something unique. He could very easily quit over the Del Mar surface and develop poor form.

However the owners already shipped this horse who may be the current horse most likely to win the BC Classic to Oaklawn to run on that surface, so I doubt he will skip anything.

Heatseeker could also get dusted in the Gold Cup and the point would be almost moot.

Del Mar will be different this year.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Del Mar will be different this year.

to be fair, I have no idea how the pro-ride is going to turn out either.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It may be pointless but it is a $5 milllion dollar race.

I think I am going to keep this in mind if I get lucky...3 million plus plus to win a race and its pointless... You know what the race is not pointless can never be pointless and its pointless to suggest that it makes no point to have your horse win it..

Are you kidding me!!! The fn reason why you are in the game is exactly to win such a race...miraja2 if your point is to suggest that the sport didn't need such a race and that it weaked a lot of great historic races value such as the JCC and other special G1's then I agree.. The race is here and there is nothing that could or would make ANY owner happier then to WIN.. There is only one KD and one ARC other then those special races what could be the POINT?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

On the contrary when there are no standouts, fields tend to get larger because every owner thinks their horse has a shot. Of course if the BC would spend a few dollars to help lower the shipping costs for East coast and midwest horses they would surely get a few more entries.

This is real sharp Chuck... I own a horse who is capable of running in the breeder cup but I dont think I will ship him or her because it will cost 3k all in..

I didn't know race horse owners shop at Family Dollar especialy the ones whos charges have made significant money on the track making them elidgible to compete in the Breeders Cup..

"Hey Ogden" You need 3k to ship Receipt in the Filly race...Yo Ms Webber let me toss you 30 Benny's... your kidding right even DrugS could ship a potential BC horse

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

This is real sharp Chuck... I own a horse who is capable of running in the breeder cup but I dont think I will ship him or her because it will cost 3k all in..

I didn't know race horse owners shop at Family Dollar especialy the ones whos charges have made significant money on the track making them elidgible to compete in the Breeders Cup..

"Hey Ogden" You need 3k to ship Receipt in the Filly race...Yo Ms Webber let me toss you 30 Benny's... your kidding right even DrugS could ship a potential BC horse

If you can ship cross country for 3k you must have either a magic carpet or one of those Star trek things. Try 10k or more. It costs $1500 to ship from KY to NY in a van. One way.

I wasnt thinking of Odgen or DrugS. If you are already putting up big money to enter, pay people expenses, etc a BC sponsored plane ride would be nice.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you can ship cross country for 3k you must have either a magic carpet or one of those Star trek things. Try 10k or more. It costs $1500 to ship from KY to NY in a van. One way.

I wasnt thinking of Odgen or DrugS. If you are already putting up big money to enter, pay people expenses, etc a BC sponsored plane ride would be nice.

Wow I just shipped from Ocala to Belmont TODAY for 780 bucks and it 24 hour service..Maybe I can earn here? BTW who FN cares if it's 7 to 10k its the FN Breeders Cup Chuck the horses have typically made several 100k and the owners are typically not earning 1200 a week as hard working Union workers.. Of all the issues you need a free ride or your not bringing your ball to the playground come on.. I friggin G5 from Newark to LA is only 25k-30k and that will throw a heck of a party for 14 of us..

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

to be fair, I have no idea how the pro-ride is going to turn out either.

What other "Pro Ride" tracks are there in America? Are they only in Australia? What is it similar too?

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

What other "Pro Ride" tracks are there in America? Are they only in Australia? What is it similar too?

Distracted by your display pic, but I have no idea. The ony Aussie races that I have played were turf. They added the pro ride mix over that crazy santa anita cushion and it went from a speed favoring runway to a closers paradise. With the faulty cushion, everyone was going 107 to six furlongs and no one was making up ground in the stretch. Once they added pro-ride it became closer friendly and most of the early speed were getting passed by wide stretch runners. Who knows how it will act with a re-done base?

It is the same surface for all and I look forward to a BC that will not be marred by the weather.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Wow I just shipped from Ocala to Belmont TODAY for 780 bucks and it 24 hour service..Maybe I can earn here? BTW who FN cares if it's 7 to 10k its the FN Breeders Cup Chuck the horses have typically made several 100k and the owners are typically not earning 1200 a week as hard working Union workers.. Of all the issues you need a free ride or your not bringing your ball to the playground come on.. I friggin G5 from Newark to LA is only 25k-30k and that will throw a heck of a party for 14 of us..

chuck i got your back man...

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Speak for yourself.
I know I'm in the minority on this one, but I for one certainly hope that Curlin does NOT go to the Breeders' Cup. I would love it if the top horse in the country opted to skip a stupid and pointless race like the BC Classic. The Breeders' Cup was a terrible idea to begin with, and every year it gets a little more desultory.
The more horses that skip it the better.

invasor beating bernardini wasn't exciting?

are you sure we are talking about the same race?

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by richard burch

invasor beating bernardini wasn't exciting?

are you sure we are talking about the same race?

No kidding! IMO,some of the best races in racing history have happened at the Breeder's Cup.. It's like "my Christmas" every year on Breeders Cup day. I usually take the day off from work and sit on my couch all damn day watching T.V and betting

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

No kidding! IMO,some of the best races in racing history have happened at the Breeder's Cup.. It's like "my Christmas" every year on Breeders Cup day. I usually take the day off from work and sit on my couch all damn day watching T.V and betting

And just think this year you can do it two days in a row!