Colonel John

[opusone]

I would like to see Colonel John take another crack at a dirt track. If it doesn't work out leave in Cali. Give him two shots at the BC on a track he likes, and pick up some nice purses along the way.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by opusone

I would like to see Colonel John take another crack at a dirt track. If it doesn't work out leave in Cali. Give him two shots at the BC on a track he likes, and pick up some nice purses along the way.

he will def. run on dirt this summer.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i see that mrs.
but i read where steve said the dwyer might come up to fast, and he would then point to the jim dandy-travers....
i guess it does not matter... most ppl use the haskall as a prep for the travers, im sure we will see both of them in travers.

Really?

Colonel John will be a nonfactor in the Travers if he goes. . .

[The Bid]

The stop has been applied

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Really?

Colonel John will be a nonfactor in the Travers if he goes. . .

PM ME FOR some colonel john travers action

[slotdirt]

The horse didn't run disastrously at the Derby by any stretch; I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Colonel John could run on dirt.

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i might be wrong, but wasen't he on easy leads all alone in his last 2 ?
pace is the key to every race....

He is on easy leads because he runs 23 and 46 for a mile and an eighth on the stuff, thats part of it. The horse does not get out of the gate well but has phenomenal early speed. He has been challenged at pace on a grass turf sprint and came in 2nd. Fought very hard at the end.
The most suprising part for me is he has run hard fractions, had challengers come up to his rear and then he pulls away. The style is what interests me.

We will see. Looks like a tough animal. Will have to wait until he gets away from Cali tracks.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

There was a great amount of discussion about him prior to the Derby and I know DrugS made it clear on this site that Tiznow's progeny are doing extraordinarily well on synthetic surfaces....,

NT

.. and on dirt and on turf (Da' Tara and Tizdejavu). Tiznow, a dirt horse with natural stamina, sires horses who run well on all surfaces. Polytrack, one among the many types of AW (all-weather) surfaces, generally demands more stamina and/or fitness than average, and the Tiznows have the stamina part.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

.. and on dirt and on turf (Da' Tara and Tizdejavu). Tiznow, a dirt horse with natural stamina, sires horses who run well on all surfaces. Polytrack, one among the many types of AW (all-weather) surfaces, generally demands more stamina and/or fitness than average, and the Tiznows have the stamina part.

Perhaps it's bold of me to challenge the opinion of someone who calls themself "Pedigree" Ann but Tizdejavu seems to be the exception to the rule when it comes to Tiznow's progeny trying the turf. He has had numerous stakes winners and stakes-placed runners, however, they were primarily on dirt/synthetics.

Tough Tiz's Sis, Bear Now, Well Armed, and Colonel John all come to mind as Tiznow's biggest names (in addition to Da'Tara) and they are all stakes winners- on synthetics.

NT

Folklore pops out. 2 year old champion filly. She ran on dirt and broke her knee as a 3 yr old forcing her retirement. No Tiznow turf runners come right to mind.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I think you're being just a lil bit ridiculous with the Big Brown trash talking.

if you don't behave i'll start digging up denis of cork stories.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Perhaps it's bold of me to challenge the opinion of someone who calls themself "Pedigree" Ann but Tizdejavu seems to be the exception to the rule when it comes to Tiznow's progeny trying the turf. He has had numerous stakes winners and stakes-placed runners, however, they were primarily on dirt/synthetics.

Tough Tiz's Sis, Bear Now, Well Armed, and Colonel John all come to mind as Tiznow's biggest names (in addition to Da'Tara) and they are all stakes winners- on synthetics.

NT

tiznow is a all around great sire... i dont see why it matters, he can produce on any surface.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

tiznow is a all around great sire... i dont see why it matters, he can produce on any surface.

It's arbitrary, baseless remarks like this that earn you a great deal of flak on this site...take it from someone who has not chastised you at all.

NT

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

The horse didn't run disastrously at the Derby by any stretch; I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Colonel John could run on dirt.

This horse ran VERY WELL in the Derby given the setup. What are people looking at?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

It's arbitrary, baseless remarks like this that earn you a great deal of flak on this site...take it from someone who has not chastised you at all.

NT

its not baseless he is a young sire, and has accomplished a lot already, champion, major 3 yr old stakes winners, 2 yr old stakes winners...

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

its not baseless he is a young sire, and has accomplished a lot already, champion, major 3 yr old stakes winners, 2 yr old stakes winners...

Right but the original issue was not whether Tiznow is a good sire, that was never denied. The issue was that someone came on here and used one horse as an example as far as how Tiznow is a good turf sire. One horse does not a sire make.

NT

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Right but the original issue was not whether Tiznow is a good sire, that was never denied. The issue was that someone came on here and used one horse as an example as far as how Tiznow is a good turf sire. One horse does not a sire make.

NT

why does he need a good turf horse to be a great sire, maybe i dont get it...
same with giants causeway and dirt, he produces on synthetics and turf, and has had decent dirt runners, so what is he ?

[jcs11204]

i did start this thread, only because i read that colonel john was coming to saratoga soon.... i think he can be a major player in the division and even in the classic because of the surface its being run on, COLONEL JOHN has raced very well over 3 different types of synthetics. a near miss in his first career start, cruise control twice at hollywood, santa anita derby... he has like all synthetics... so when you think breeders cup, i know i have to give him a shot

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Anyone else think this is Sumitas?

Hmmmmmmmmmm......Let's see.

[miraja2]

I think they should run Col. John on nasty, rock-hard dirt surfaces all the time because synthetic surfaces are just unsafe.

Speaking of rock-hard......I heard Golden Missile is impotent. Anybody participating in this thread know if that is true?