Disgusted..

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I watched it two or three times during the inquiry and once after the replay ( when they finally got around to showing the head on ). I don't agree. Doesn't make me right but quite frankly I think DQs are handed out around her more than a little frivolously. We should be very happy that the stewards aren't as trigger happy as some posters here.

That's not a factual reason for leaving her up. That's philosophical. WTF use is that s-h-i-t?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

3-3 now. Someone else needs to vote to break up this tie.

Andy's vote should count at least twice.

[santana]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Andy's vote should count at least twice.

In most places. Andy gets 3 votes to every one.

Happy 4th of July !

[3kings]

Originally Posted by santana

In most places. Andy gets 3 votes to every one.

Happy 4th of July !

I didn't see it live but had taped the race. They are young 2 yr olds and more leeway has to be given. Good no call.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I watched it two or three times during the inquiry and once after the replay ( when they finally got around to showing the head on ). I don't agree. Doesn't make me right but quite frankly I think DQs are handed out around her more than a little frivolously. We should be very happy that the stewards aren't as trigger happy as some posters here.

I don't have a problem with the latter, as long as there's consistency. And there really isn't.

I just don't understand why ONE horse should be given a preference over ANOTHER when it comes to having every opportunity to win a race. It's not about the severity of the move, in most cases, but rather whether the other horse had an EQUAL chance to run in the stretch. Why should the winner in this case be allowed to bear out under repeated whipping, how many times have we seen that from Garcia in the past?, and by doing so OBSTRUCT the path of the other horse. If you can't keep a straight run and by doing so obstruct the path of another horse, you need to come down. And the reason you need to come down is because there are jockeys making a good living doing just that: seemingly subtle ****, in the minds of the stewards, and others, evidently, that nonetheless compromises the chances of the other horse(s).

I'm in the minority when it comes to this but at least I'm on it. I've come to grips with the fact that this is just another way to lose, and then play off it.

[GPK]

Gomez seem to be doing a bit of acting and made it seem a bit worse than it actually was.

Looked like Miss Bodine ducked a 2 lanes coming out of the gate.

[blackthroatedwind]

Through all of this and nobody even mentions Iron Butterfly. What is the world coming to?

[ArlJim78]

no change in the order of finish was called for here, just like in the Mother Goose.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Through all of this and nobody even mentions Iron Butterfly. What is the world coming to?

You beat me to it, that's why!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by 3kings

I didn't see it live but had taped the race. They are young 2 yr olds and more leeway has to be given. Good no call.

I didn't see the race, so I obviously have no opinion either way in this case, but I don't agree with this line of thinking at all. Who cares what the condition of the race is? Interference is interference.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There is absolutely no way they should have taken that horse down. He didn't herd the other horse and barely drifted.....plus he was a few paths clear of the second hanger when he started to drift.

That call was a complete no brainer.

your wrong, you are the man around here, for real no sarcasim and you know a lot more about the game then me , ALOT MORE, but your wrong on this one.

[Bobby Fischer]

is a lug out into the path of a contending horse is grounds for a takedown?

I don't think we should claim to know "who would have won anyway" in a race that close

my opinion is that Mclaughlin's filly would have won, especially under a hard drive through the finish line - rather than Garcia focusing on what was gaining on him.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

is a lug out into the path of a contending horse is grounds for a takedown?

I don't think we should claim to know "who would have won anyway" in a race that close

my opinion is that Mclaughlin's filly would have won, especially under a hard drive through the finish line - rather than Garcia focusing on what was gaining on him.

yes it is grounds and bafferts horse was a winner if not for the other filly

[parsixfarms]

After all the discussion, I made a point to watch the race on the NYRA replay show tonight, and IMO, they made the right call. Granted, I did not see a head-on, but from the pan shot, just before McLaughlin's filly came out, it appeared that Baffert's filly also came in a little bit (just as the rider switched from left to right-handed urging) and she shied from the other horse - pretty understandable from a first-time starting 2YO filly.

So maybe the Stewards, even thought they are
blind (I learned that here) have a difficult job sometimes.

They become especially bad if they make, or do not
make, a decision that costs one money.

Between battlin drugs, jockeys, stewards, and trainers
this game is difficult. Other than a few minor blips
its so peachy simple.

Sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes,
well sometimes the bar eats you....
- forgot who said that.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by pgardn

So maybe the Stewards, even thought they are
blind (I learned that here) have a difficult job sometimes.

They become especially bad if they make, or do not
make, a decision that costs one money.

Between battlin drugs, jockeys, stewards, and trainers
this game is difficult. Other than a few minor blips
its so peachy simple.

Sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes,
well sometimes the bar eats you....
- forgot who said that.

this was easy... nothing difficult about this one.

Originally Posted by jcs11204

this was easy... nothing difficult about this one.

Then I guess the Steward mystery is solved.
It is a tough job?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

After all the discussion, I made a point to watch the race on the NYRA replay show tonight, and IMO, they made the right call. Granted, I did not see a head-on, but from the pan shot, just before McLaughlin's filly came out, it appeared that Baffert's filly also came in a little bit (just as the rider switched from left to right-handed urging) and she shied from the other horse - pretty understandable from a first-time starting 2YO filly.

This is the way I saw it. Then again, if i had some change on the race, i might feel differently. I posted the link to the chart for the race. I dont think that no call was too tough to make. These were maidens.

http://equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/BEL070308USA2.pdf

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

this was easy... nothing difficult about this one.

Given the varying opinions on this board, I don't think there was anything "easy" about this one. And when that's the case, they should err on the side of leaving the horse up.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Given the varying opinions on this board, I don't think there was anything "easy" about this one. And when that's the case, they should err on the side of leaving the horse up.

nothing anyone can say will make me think this horse should have stayed up, i have watched the replay multiple times as well as the head on, bafferts horse was the best horse AND WAS BUMPED AND DRIFTED INTO.