Israel suspending air bombing

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Been reading this thread and two things are obvious:
1. you really hate Israel, so much so that you refuse to see what is so very obvious...no use continuing, you are blind.
2. you think very simplistically...the same folks who blame us for supporting Israel blame us for existing. If Israel falls, we lose a friend and the world loses a democracy...and what country do you suppose the Israeli-hating terrorists will target next?
We support Israel because it is the right thing to do...sure the bomb makers and other special interest groups have financial motives, but the average guy in the street can tell a democracy from a nest of psuedo-religious fanatics! You cannot reason with terrorists...why can't you understand that?? If Israel should fall, that solves nothing and emboldens them further. You negotiate with sane folks who want peace, you kill terrorists!

From reading this thread I can tell you care more about Israel than you do America and its citizens.

I don't hate Israel. I just don't care about them. I have cities in my own country that are in need of money, but instead my dollar is going to build a military for a country that can afford its own military. If your first allegiance is to another country, maybe you should move.

You however are clueless. We support them because "it is the right thing to do" is ridiculous. The right thing to do is take care of my own country, not some other.

Israel should do whatever it wants, just do it with their own money. I am a realist, we get nothing from Israel. Nothing. The Arab countries atleast have oil, so I see why we have to make a deal with that devil, but there is no reason to make a deal with a devil that has nothing to give you in return.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Agree totally.

I am just going to guess the both of you have an allegiance to two countries. That is why you think my taxes should buy a military for your other country.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pgardn,
1) I agree that Africa is a huge humanitarian concern, however, not on topic.
Maybe we should start a seperate thread to discuss that situation.
2) Lebanon had a democraticly elected government as well as Israel. I don't think they treat others in the region humanely. Seems to me that their treatment of Palistinians and now, Lebanese blows a big hole in that arguement.
3) Dead zones are not less costly. Even if that geographic feat could be accomplishished without a permanent occupation, the other "costs", diplomatic, strategic, and economic remain huge.
4) Canadians? Let's not degrade the topic with hypothetical bs. Stick to reality please.

1. NOt on topic, but it answers BR's do it only for the US.
2. The democratically elected government is full of terrorists which then disqualifies them as a country that follows the rule of Law. Because terrorists follow no law.
3. Level may be the wrong word. No one in, monitored by satellites is very doable. Anything in the zone is immediately taken out.
4. Some people show no empathy towards others; if an example involving them directly is mandatory for understanding, I will most certainly use it.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Israel needs to grow some balls like the US and go in with troops and weed out the terrorists or stop altogether. Bombing civilians is the act of cowards.

What are you talking about? Israel has gone into Lebanon with thousands of troops over the last two weeks. Wars are usually a combination of troops and bombings. We did a ton of bombing in Iraq.

By the way, according to your logic, I guess we were huge cowards dropping a couple of nuclear bombs on Japan in World War II. I would argue that it was not cowardly on our part at all. Japan attacked us and we were defending ourselves. I guess according to your logic, we should have gone into Japan with troops instead of bombing them.

Originally Posted by boldruler

I am just going to guess the both of you have an allegiance to two countries. That is why you think my taxes should buy a military for your other country.

We give more of our money to Egypt than Israel. So thats 3 countries that I guess we are showing utter allegiance to. The list goes on.

I am going to ask this for the 100th time, because nobody ever can seem to answer it

Why does Israel need tax dollars from the US to have a military? Should the US taxpayer pay more in taxes so Israeli's can pay less?


I love how everyone thinks people don't like another country because they ask rational questions.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

What are you talking about? Israel has gone into Lebanon with thousands of troops over the last two weeks. Wars are usually a combination of troops and bombings. We did a ton of bombing in Iraq.

By the way, according to your logic, I guess we were huge cowards dropping a couple of nuclear bombs on Japan in World War II. I would argue that it was not cowardly on our part at all. Japan attacked us and we were defending ourselves. I guess according to your logic, we should have gone into Japan with troops instead of bombing them.

We also bombed the hell out of Bosnia and did not send a troop. The Euros where not happy about us not sending in ground troops. So hell yes, we got balls, spongy ones.

Originally Posted by pgardn

We give more of our money to Egypt than Israel. So thats 3 countries that I guess we are showing utter allegiance to. The list goes on.

No kidding. I don't see any reason to give them money either. I love how people just make up other examples to justify things. So if we do one stupid thing, it is ok to do more stupid things. Gotcha.

Originally Posted by boldruler

I am going to ask this for the 100th time, because nobody ever can seem to answer it

Why does Israel need tax dollars from the US to have a military? Should the US taxpayer pay more in taxes so Israeli's can pay less?


I love how everyone thinks people don't like another country because they ask rational questions.

Somer answered it. Read it please. Same goes for Egypt.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by boldruler

From reading this thread I can tell you care more about Israel than you do America and its citizens.

I don't hate Israel. I just don't care about them. I have cities in my own country that are in need of money, but instead my dollar is going to build a military for a country that can afford its own military. If your first allegiance is to another country, maybe you should move.

You however are clueless. We support them because "it is the right thing to do" is ridiculous. The right thing to do is take care of my own country, not some other.

Israel should do whatever it wants, just do it with their own money. I am a realist, we get nothing from Israel. Nothing. The Arab countries atleast have oil, so I see why we have to make a deal with that devil, but there is no reason to make a deal with a devil that has nothing to give you in return.

You are truly hopeless. The US is always going to help their allies. We have a long history of doing so. If we didn't help Britain and France in World War II, we would have been in trouble. If you were in charge back then, Germany would have taken over the world.

Luckily for us, support for Israel is a bi-partisan thing in Congress. I guess you need to explain to all the policy-makers on both sides of the aisle that supporting Israel is not in our interest.

I got a kick out of your post where you called Israel "the devil". I know that you also called the Arabs the same thing, but how could you say that about Israel? Here is a tiny country that is just trying to survive and you think they are "the devil" for defending themselves. It's a joke.

Originally Posted by pgardn

We also bombed the hell out of Bosnia and did not send a troop. The Euros where not happy about us not sending in ground troops. So hell yes, we got balls, spongy ones.

I can tell more and more somebody has Israel #1 on their list and the US #2.

The US military has huge balls. The aren't cowards like some countries. The US wasn't at war with Bosnia and did what they could working with the rest of the world. Israel is killing innocent people because they are afraid of casualties. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Somer answered it. Read it please. Same goes for Egypt.

That isn't an answer. That is saying we do one stupid thing s it is ok to do another.

Ok then, insert Egypt in there too and now answer it.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You are truly hopeless. The US is always going to help their allies. We have a long history of doing so. If we didn't help Britain and France in World War II, we would have been in trouble. If you were in charge back then, Germany would have taken over the world.

Luckily for us, support for Israel is a bi-partisan thing in Congress. I guess you need to explain to all the policy-makers on both sides of the aisle that supporting Israel is not in our interest.

I got a kick out of your post where you called Israel "the devil". I know that you also called the Arabs the same thing, but how could you say that about Israel? Here is a tiny country that is just trying to survive and you think they are "the devil" for defending themselves. It's a joke.

The reason they have support is congress is because of their lobby. Which is fine, just like the US supporting them verbally is fine. I could care less, just stop giving my tax dollar to them so they can have a military. Use their own tax dollar. Same goes for any country that isn't giving us oil, or something in return.

This isn't a political issue for me, it is a financial one. The US should not be in the busness of giving countries money to build a military. Stay out of other countries. Just look at Iraq. Waste of my money.

Originally Posted by boldruler

I can tell more and more somebody has Israel #1 on their list and the US #2.

The US military has huge balls. The aren't cowards like some countries. The US wasn't at war with Bosnia and did what they could working with the rest of the world. Israel is killing innocent people because they are afraid of casualties. Simple as that.

This is now becoming bizarre and hopeless. We want casualities so we can say we have balls? Good God. Later. Have a good evening people. Time for some work.

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is now becoming bizarre and hopeless. We want casualities so we can say we have balls? Good God. Later. Have a good evening people. Time for some work.

Well, by "we" I guess you mean Israel, but no, you want to save innocent civilians, even if it means taking casualties. That is the problem here. Your country is more worried about their own army suffering casualties than innocent civilians.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is now becoming bizarre and hopeless. We want casualities so we can say we have balls? Good God. Later. Have a good evening people. Time for some work.

I agree...I'm through with this thread, there is no room for logic here...just hatred of Israel.
But before I go...a brief rant: I fought for my country in Nam dip****...how dare you question my patriotism???? I watched friends die, and I did things that still haunt me at night...the price of liberty is never cheap and young people always pay it! War is hell but to allow terrorist animals to kill you at their will is insane...we can stop these thugs over there, or face them over here when it's our women and children dying...remember 9-11?? You worry so damn much about your money...lots of folks have lost something much more precious to them!!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I agree...I'm through with this thread, there is no room for logic here...just hatred of Israel.
But before I go...a brief rant: I fought for my country in Nam dip****...how dare you question my patriotism???? I watched friends die, and I did things that still haunt me at night...the price of liberty is never cheap and young people always pay it! War is hell but to allow terrorist animals to kill you at their will is insane...we can stop these thugs over there, or face them over here when it's our women and children dying...remember 9-11?? You worry so damn much about your money...lots of folks have lost something much more precious to them!!

I am sure you did fight in Nam. LOL. People who fought in it don't refer to it like that, but you already knew that. I have more involvement with the US Military than you will ever know and helped increase the death benefit recently. Feel free to send me your e-mail and I will send you my op-eds that ran in some major newspapers, and also the newspaper run by DoD, Stars and Stripes. I know for a fact the military is poorly funded and am currently fighting to increase health benefits for veterans to include mental health, PTSD in particular. Wasting money on other countries before taking care of our own is disgusting.

I guess 48 hours to the two Stone Age countries involved is different from the rest of the civilized world.

[Downthestretch55]

I'm not talking about Viet Nam, Bosnia, Africa, Canada, and all of the other places that come to some people's minds...
This is about Lebanon:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0731-04.htm

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

I'm not talking about Viet Nam, Bosnia, Africa, Canada, and all of the other places that come to some people's minds...
This is about Lebanon:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0731-04.htm

I agree that it's terrible and sickening when you read about all the people getting killed in Lebanon. But what can you do? You have these terrorists firing hundreds of rockets into Israel killing and injuring a lot of civilians. The Lebanese government is doing nothing to stop these terrorists from firing rockets into Israel. These terrorists fire the rockets from residential neighborhoods and hide in people's houses. I don't know what the answer is. Should Israel just sit there idly and keep getting hit by these rockets?

The thing that is so sick about this whole thing is that Hezbollah likes it when Lebanese women and children get killed. It's makes great propaganda for them. It makes Israel look like the bad guy. I think the blood is on Hezbollah's hands. They know that Lebanese civilians will get killed if they fire rockets into Israel from civilian neighborhoods.