PETA - Big Brown - Page 2

Linny · #21 10-15-2008, 03:32 PM

Look at the pics of his feet. He has more patch than foot. His feet are dreadful. His sire has bad feet too.

alysheba4 · #22 10-15-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Seriously, I know PETA = bad!!! BAD PETA!!! but haven't many of you been saying basically the same thing this year? How it's a shame that a horse with such bad feet is going to be passing his genes on to hundreds of new thoroughbreds?

.......yeah, but this stuff has been going on so long not much you can do........kinda like the illegal alien situation in cali

DogsUp · #23 10-15-2008, 03:50 PM

PETA is now on Victorino's case for liking Spam:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big...urn=mlb,115113

philcski · #24 10-15-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave

I may be in the minority here... but imho BB is a more legitimate candidate for stud duty than at least half the stud population out there right now.....unless I missed something his retirement is not due to soundness issues but rather due to an injury that was sustained during training....and while it has been pretty well documented that he has had feet problems, I'm of the opinion that there are few if any horses that don't have some type of issues during there racing career.... I don't think he will necessarilly become a notably great sire but I don't agree that he will be negatively impacting the breed as compared to many many of the sires that are out there at this time.

I agree with most of this... there is a sire out there right now who stands for six figures who has almost 500 registered progeny, of which a grand total of NINE have started 30 or more times (which I'd consider a good 'durability' number)- less than 2%.

Scav · #25 10-15-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

I agree with most of this... there is a sire out there right now who stands for six figures who has almost 500 registered progeny, of which a grand total of NINE have started 30 or more times (which I'd consider a good 'durability' number)- less than 2%.

who?

Honu · #26 10-15-2008, 04:04 PM

Breeding is luck of the draw , you can breed a correct horse to a correct mare and get a crooked legged foal , you can breed a correct stallion to a crooked mare and get a perfect foal. To me its the heart that matters and Big Brown has shown that he has the heart to race on three man-made feet and race pretty well.

philcski · #27 10-15-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

who?

Research project, my boy.

Clue #1: His most famous offspring never won a race.

Riot · #28 10-15-2008, 04:16 PM

PETA has zero interest in breeding a sounder race horse, PETA's goal is stopping the "abuse" of all horses by totally eliminating man's use of them in any manner whatsover.

Linny · #29 10-15-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Research project, my boy.

Clue #1: His most famous offspring never won a race.

The Green Money's sire... Forestry?

Scav · #30 10-15-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Research project, my boy.

Clue #1: His most famous offspring never won a race.

How about you take that research and put it.....

My boy Linny already hooked it up...heck with you

philcski · #31 10-15-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny

The Green Money's sire... Forestry?

Yup

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Originally Posted by Scav

How about you take that research and put it.....

My boy Linny already hooked it up...heck with you

(linny's a chick by the way)

Payson Dave · #32 10-15-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

(linny's a chick by the way)

sheeeesh.....kids these days.....they have got so much to learn.... ya gotta teach em every little thing....

Cannon Shell · #33 10-15-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Seriously, I know PETA = bad!!! BAD PETA!!! but haven't many of you been saying basically the same thing this year? How it's a shame that a horse with such bad feet is going to be passing his genes on to hundreds of new thoroughbreds?

yeah like Danzig and Mr P

Scav · #34 10-15-2008, 04:37 PM

The only thing that PETA can bitch about in horse racing is when Cannon finally lets me get on a thoroughbred.....

philcski · #35 10-15-2008, 04:52 PM

To put it in perspective, you can get to Spectaculardynasty who has had about 15 starters, of which nearly all have won at some level, four of which have started more than 40 times, for the low low price of

FREE.

ateamstupid · #36 10-15-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

yeah like Danzig and Mr P

I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with them, I just find it funny that people who have been saying the same basic thing about Big Brown are reacting so negatively to this.

Cannon Shell · #37 10-15-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with them, I just find it funny that people who have been saying the same basic thing about Big Brown are reacting so negatively to this.

Those people while probably not radicals dont know what they are talking about either. There is no soundness gene and genetics plays a very small role in the soundness of horses generally speaking.

Cannon Shell · #38 10-15-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

The only thing that PETA can bitch about in horse racing is when Cannon finally lets me get on a thoroughbred.....

I will turn myself in to the proper authorities

AeWingnut · #39 10-15-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

October 14, 2008

Michael Iavarone, Co-President/Co-CEO
Richard J. Schiavo, Co-President/Co-CEO
International Equine Acquisitions Holdings, Inc.
595 Stewart Ave., Suite 810
Garden City, NY 11530

1 page via fax

Dear Messrs. Iavarone and Schiavo,

On behalf of PETA’s two members and supporters, I am writing to extend our condolences on Big Brown’s injuries, which are reportedly serious enough to be career ending, and to ask you to take a very difficult step. For the good of future generations of thoroughbreds, we ask you not to stand Big Brown at stud. Rather than pass on the traits of a horse who has been plagued by injuries throughout his brief career, we ask that you geld and retire Big Brown.

Following the breakdown and death of Eight Belles, questions that had been confined to racing insiders became public: What has happened to thoroughbreds? Why are more than 700 horses suffering catastrophic injuries resulting in deaths on the race track every year? Some of the problems are attributed to breeding. Stallions with the fewest starts, whose careers are cut short by injury or fear of injury, are more likely to be bred than horses with longer racing careers. Logical people are questioning why unsound horses are being bred.

One of the issues is that the use of legal drugs such as phenylbutazone has contributed to keeping unsound horses competing and thus covering up weaknesses. But as important, the desire for speed appears to have trumped common sense. Numerous media outlets reported that all 20 of the horses who competed in this year’s Kentucky Derby had genes from Native Dancer—a winning horse who likely passed along a tendency toward unsoundness along with his speed.

Native Dancer, too, was retired for leg injuries. Like Native Dancer, Big Brown’s ascendency has been marred by ongoing leg and hoof problems, including a quarter crack in his hoof just before the Belmont Stakes. Will you set aside your own desire for profit and do what’s right for the horses? These animals have brought you fame and fortune. Perhaps now you could find it in your hearts to do them a favor.

Best regards,

Kathy Guillermo
Director of Research

I really wonder if they have 2 million members and supporters. I think we need to question the 700 horses suffering catastrophic breakdowns.
(is that world wide including countries like Mexico and Uraguay)

I don't think IEAH will/ should castrate Big Brown. I just hope that people won't take their mares to him and people won't buy his bad feet progeny

King Glorious · #40 10-15-2008, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

In all seriousness they bring up a good point that has been argued in many places. Why the industry continues to breed to unsound horses. However, like most wackos, the way they go about their message alienates anyone who would agree with them because they are so thoughtless in their delivery.

I couldn't agree more. When I saw there was a Peta/Big Brown thread, I was expecting that they were going to be lambasting IEAH for pushing as far as they did with him knowing that he had the physical problems he did. And I'm not so sure I'd be able to disagree with them on that point either. This horse has exhibited problems with his feet from the start. It was never more evident than in the Belmont. Yet they continued to push on with him until it got so bad that they couldn't go on anymore. Then they retire him under the guise of doing what's best for the horse. Bullshit. What would have been best for this horse would have been to have been taken out of training a long time ago.