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Old 11-06-2008, 11:45 AM
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Here a provoking thought...

Do you think the total acceptance of Tiger Woods by whites helped Obama?
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Tiger Woods is accepted by 'whites' (and everyone else) because he's by far the greatest golfer that ever lived. End of story. Wouldn't matter if he was white, black, orange, green. Has no correlation to Obama's success.

As a counterpoint, I'd put Vijay Singh in the top 20 golfer list of all time and I dare say he is NOT accepted by 'white' America because of his semi-controversial nature.
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:48 AM
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It depends. I dont think the politician had to be black, spanish or a woman if thats what you mean. I think he/she needed to be younger to pull that off. When i say "younger" i mean younger than 50.

I am proud of our country in the sense that race didnt hurt him like i thought it might. In retrospect, it probably helped more than it hurt. I say that and I mean not to the degree that many bigots say i.e that he got elected BECAUSE he is black. I think that notion is preposterous and small minded.

Could Biden have pulled off the "yes we can" and "change" thing? Absolutely not.
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:50 AM
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It depends. I dont think the politician had to be black, spanish or a woman if thats what you mean. I think he/she needed to be younger to pull that off. When i say "younger" i mean younger than 50.

I am proud of our country in the sense that race didnt hurt him like i thought it might. In retrospect, it probably helped more than it hurt. I say that and I mean not to the degree that many bigots say i.e that he got elected BECAUSE he is black. I think that notion is preposterous and small minded.

Could Biden have pulled off the "yes we can" and "change" thing? Absolutely not.
I agree.
I expected some "Bradley Effect" when America went to the polls- while I still thought and hoped he would win, I was guessing the margin would be smaller than the predicted 7-8%, whereas it fell right in line. Having grown up in a very mixed racial neighborhood- where racial relations were NOT good in the '80s, even for supposedly socially progressive New York State- I'm very happy to see America has moved forward.
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:57 AM
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No.

Tiger Woods is accepted by 'whites' (and everyone else) because he's by far the greatest golfer that ever lived. End of story. Wouldn't matter if he was white, black, orange, green. Has no correlation to Obama's success.

As a counterpoint, I'd put Vijay Singh in the top 20 golfer list of all time and I dare say he is NOT accepted by 'white' America because of his semi-controversial nature.
What about Monty?, and Garcia to a lesser extend. It's more of a US versus Non-US thing. The whole Ryder Cup thing has turned up the heat reguarding this issue.
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Old 11-06-2008, 12:41 PM
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Here a provoking thought...

Do you think the total acceptance of Tiger Woods by whites helped Obama?

I want Tiger for Prez!!
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Old 11-06-2008, 12:42 PM
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No.

Tiger Woods is accepted by 'whites' (and everyone else) because he's by far the greatest golfer that ever lived. End of story. Wouldn't matter if he was white, black, orange, green. Has no correlation to Obama's success.

As a counterpoint, I'd put Vijay Singh in the top 20 golfer list of all time and I dare say he is NOT accepted by 'white' America because of his semi-controversial nature.
I going to slightly disagree...the caveat I would add is it had an acceptance effect on "older" people. It's nice to see that the younger generations have become color blind - but I can tell you that for many older Americans (let's say in a range of late 40's plus) the life experience was not the case. So to see someone like Tiger who is considered "Black" and has had such success and has truly handled himself in such a "dignified human" way has helped the success of people like Obama.

He has demonstrated more than being a great golfer - he has demonstrated he is a very good human being...and...that is what makes the difference to those that would view him through older eyes.
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Old 11-06-2008, 12:53 PM
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I going to slightly disagree...the caveat I would add is it had an acceptance effect on "older" people. It's nice to see that the younger generations have become color blind - but I can tell you that for many older Americans (let's say in a range of late 40's plus) the life experience was not the case. So to see someone like Tiger who is considered "Black" and has had such success and has truly handled himself in such a "dignified human" way has helped the success of people like Obama.

He has demonstrated more than being a great golfer - he has demonstrated he is a very good human being...and...that is what makes the difference to those that would view him through older eyes.
He IS a great human being, which only increases his stature. Unfair of me to not note that previously. Tiger is the f*cking MAN.
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He IS a great human being, which only increases his stature. Unfair of me to not note that previously. Tiger is the f*cking MAN.





and his wife isn't bad either
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Old 11-06-2008, 01:27 PM
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and his wife isn't bad either
Eh, she's alright.


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Old 11-06-2008, 02:04 PM
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That 2nd picture has to be one of the hottest pictures I have ever seen, hot damn....
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Agreed, can't remember her name but saw a spread on her. One of the hottest I've ever seen. Anyone remember her name?
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Old 11-06-2008, 02:25 PM
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Agreed, can't remember her name but saw a spread on her. One of the hottest I've ever seen. Anyone remember her name?
Elin Woods
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Not quite..
Oh, snap! I've been fooled by Google!


Either one would do in a pinch
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why would he waste any of his time playing golf
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wifes name is elin nordegren
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wifes name is elin nordegren
Yes... however the 2nd picture was actually NOT Nordegren, it was the other Swedish model chick that Spyder noted.
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Old 11-06-2008, 03:36 PM
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Yes... however the 2nd picture was actually NOT Nordegren, it was the other Swedish model chick that Spyder noted.
What good are you anymore? You get me on tangents yesterday that get me in all sorts of trouble, and then falsified information on celebrity wives....
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