Censorship: The New Amerikan Way

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Your view is totally misguided unless you live in a time warp. In 2009 there is hardly a lack of access to information or opposing views. In the pre-internet days where there were 3 network tv stations and limited radio licenses it was almost palatable. In 2009 it is censorship, plain and simple. The govt controlling what can be said in any media form should be a scary thought regardless of your political leanings. For some reason Rush Limbaugh drives the leftys crazy but denying him his right to speak his mind is disgraceful. The govt is already seeping into places it should not be and the Fairness Doctrine is a nothing more than govt control of a medium it should not be near.

isn't censorship the complete removal of information? how is a liberal airing somehow censorship?

in no way am i advocating removing any shows at all. but how can someone call trying to get the 'other side' on the air censorship? it seems it's the exact opposite.

i always thought that the market would dictate what would or could be aired, and it certainly seems that liberal radio doesn't fly. but if the issue comes down to broadcast licensing being out of reach to one side, then wouldn't that be an issue?

i guess all i'm really arguing is that it's incorrect to call having both sides on the air as being censorship.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Churches aren't public places. Airwaves are Gov't owned, and people buy a license to use that frequency. They don't own that frequency. So, this is an effort to keep people with only one point of view from buying up all the licenses for the frequencies. From what you're saying, if you're in a Conservative State (where Progressive radio is not commercially viable,) then only Conservative view points should be heard there. No alternative opinions heard there, because not enough people there are progressive.

That is stupidity. First of all the amount of people who get the majority of information from the radio is almost non-existant. Secondly who in the govt gets to choose what gets to be broadcast? The minister of information? Only a damn fool or a communist thinks that govt control of the content of ANY broadcasts is a good thing. Even the goddamn socialists that seem to be taking over the country would oppose that unless they were just blatantly partisan.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Churches aren't public places. Airwaves are Gov't owned, and people buy a license to use that frequency. They don't own that frequency. So, this is an effort to keep people with only one point of view from buying up all the licenses for the frequencies. From what you're saying, if you're in a Conservative State (where Progressive radio is not commercially viable,) then only Conservative view points should be heard there. No alternative opinions heard there, because not enough people there are progressive.

No Im saying go buy a license , speak your point of view 24/7 , say what you have to say.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Danzig

isn't censorship the complete removal of information? how is a liberal airing somehow censorship?

in no way am i advocating removing any shows at all. but how can someone call trying to get the 'other side' on the air censorship? it seems it's the exact opposite.

i always thought that the market would dictate what would or could be aired, and it certainly seems that liberal radio doesn't fly. but if the issue comes down to broadcast licensing being out of reach to one side, then wouldn't that be an issue?

i guess all i'm really arguing is that it's incorrect to call having both sides on the air as being censorship.

I dont see anyone being denied the right to express their point of view , it cant be helped if no one wants to tune into a certain point of view. Supply and demand yeah?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Your view is totally misguided unless you live in a time warp. In 2009 there is hardly a lack of access to information or opposing views. In the pre-internet days where there were 3 network tv stations and limited radio licenses it was almost palatable. In 2009 it is censorship, plain and simple. The govt controlling what can be said in any media form should be a scary thought regardless of your political leanings. For some reason Rush Limbaugh drives the leftys crazy but denying him his right to speak his mind is disgraceful. The govt is already seeping into places it should not be and the Fairness Doctrine is a nothing more than govt control of a medium it should not be near.

No, what's scary is only one point of view being around. That's never good, and if you wonder how all this absurd stuff happens in history, it starts with the fact that opposing views aren't present. It's no wonder that you're not getting the representation in the media that you'd like(it's not like you encourage it as a career choice.) This intolerance of opposing views is one of the reasons you got beat. The people in the middle were thrilled to see someone who wasn't afraid to listen to the views of even known bigots. For a radio station to have to dedicate a small portion of time to an opposing view shouldn't be a big deal. If you're so sure you're right about an issue, then shouldn't your position hold up alongside an opposite view?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

isn't censorship the complete removal of information? how is a liberal airing somehow censorship?

in no way am i advocating removing any shows at all. but how can someone call trying to get the 'other side' on the air censorship? it seems it's the exact opposite.

i always thought that the market would dictate what would or could be aired, and it certainly seems that liberal radio doesn't fly. but if the issue comes down to broadcast licensing being out of reach to one side, then wouldn't that be an issue?

i guess all i'm really arguing is that it's incorrect to call having both sides on the air as being censorship.

The monitoring of the content of a broadcast medium is censorship. The fact that liberal radio doesnt seem to be as popular as conservative radio is too damn bad. You can not with a straight face say that the liberal view is not being heard. The fact that the liberal party is in charge of Washington and suddenly we need to reinstitute a flawed and outdated policy that would almost exclusively negatively effect conservative radio (which is the only media outlet that is remotely has a right leaning majority) reeks of political payback. This is the same thing that the Dems moaned about for the entire 8 years of Bush. Yet here they are taking freedoms away under the guise of responsibility and transparency? Where is the ACLU on this?

What would the reaction be if CNN and MSNBC were forced to give equal time to both liberal shows and conservative shows? Put Limbaugh opposite of Olberman?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Honu

No Im saying go buy a license , speak your point of view 24/7 , say what you have to say.

exactly

[Honu]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No, what's scary is only one point of view being around. That's never good, and if you wonder how all this absurd stuff happens in history, it starts with the fact that opposing views aren't present. It's no wonder that you're not getting the representation in the media that you'd like(it's not like you encourage it as a career choice.) This intolerance of opposing views is one of the reasons you got beat. The people in the middle were thrilled to see someone who wasn't afraid to listen to the views of even known bigots. For a radio station to have to dedicate a small portion of time to an opposing view shouldn't be a big deal. If you're so sure you're right about an issue, then shouldn't your position hold up alongside an opposite view?

What is this debate club???? Its not , there is not just one point of view around and that is very apparent considering the outcomeof the last election , somehow the people who help elect the new president got their information I dont know how , they must be very resourcefull people is all I can say lol. I have to listen to all kinds of points of view when I listen to A.M. 1070 here in l.a. and sometimes during the last election the subject matter and points of view were so biased that I had to change that damn station , bastards for making me change the channel so I could have something I wanted to hear.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No, what's scary is only one point of view being around. That's never good, and if you wonder how all this absurd stuff happens in history, it starts with the fact that opposing views aren't present. It's no wonder that you're not getting the representation in the media that you'd like(it's not like you encourage it as a career choice.) This intolerance of opposing views is one of the reasons you got beat. The people in the middle were thrilled to see someone who wasn't afraid to listen to the views of even known bigots. For a radio station to have to dedicate a small portion of time to an opposing view shouldn't be a big deal. If you're so sure you're right about an issue, then shouldn't your position hold up alongside an opposite view?

I didnt get beat. The GOP did. As a American citizen i am deeply concerned that the ruling party has decided to get involved with content of the media. I would support starting wars with the entire European union over govt invlovement of the information flow. Obviously there are some things that need to be controlled such as national security and such but i have a hard time seeing how conservative radio is somehow altering the landscape enough to involve govt oversight of content other than obscenity rules.

This is not a left/right issue at the core. The residual effects are that politics are certainly involved but this is a freedom of speech/govt interference issue. Anyone who doesnt see it as such simply isn't looking hard enough.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Honu

I dont see anyone being denied the right to express their point of view , it cant be helped if no one wants to tune into a certain point of view. Supply and demand yeah?

That's majority rule. It's what Conservatives tend to gravitate towards. If they're wrong about something, then there is no way they can possibly correct themselves. That's why there would be segregation (still today) in the South. "If you don't like it, then leave." Most people wanted it. So, how would it have changed? Change had to be forced on them by the Federal Gov't, because they would of never changed on their own(opposing views weren't encouraged.) They couldn't correct it on their own. If you don't encourage opposite views, then how would you ever be able to recognize a flaw in the popular thinking? You wouldn't. You couldn't.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

That's majority rule. It's what Conservatives tend to gravitate towards. If they're wrong about something, then there is no way they can possibly correct themselves. That's why there would be segregation (still today) in the South. "If you don't like it, then leave." Most people wanted it. So, how would it have changed? Change had to be forced on them by the Federal Gov't, because they would of never changed on their own(opposing views weren't encouraged.) They couldn't correct it on their own. If you don't encourage opposite views, then how would you ever be able to recognize a flaw in the popular thinking? You wouldn't. You couldn't.

You just qualified for the damn fool because i know you aren't a communist.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I have a hard time believing that the Democrats who hold majorities in the house, senate and the Presidency are having a hard time having their views represented. It is censorship better served for Iran or Venzuela. The funny thing is that the left already has a vast majority of its "views" being promulgated in the newspaper and television forms of media. If they get much more "fairness" there wont be any sides of an issue.

I really don't understand this whole "vast majority of it's views being promulgated in the newspaper and television forms of media." As long as both points are out there together, then it shouldn't be such a concern to you. Your view(if best) should win out. I would worry more about the quality, than constantly being worried about the quantity.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You just qualified for the damn fool because i know you aren't a communist.

They would never have changed if they weren't forced to.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

What other descriptions do the Conservatives have for someone not agreeing with them tonite?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I really don't understand this whole "vast majority of it's views being promulgated in the newspaper and television forms of media." As long as both points are out there, it shouldn't be such a concern to you. Your view(if best) should win out. I would worry more about the quality, than constantly being worried about the quantity.

The vast majority of mainstream media leans left. It is denied by some but really it isn't that hard to see especially post election. What is a concern is the govt listening to ANY view and taking action to see that that view is countered or supressed. It simply is a slippery slope. The spitefulness and untruthful way that this is being packaged is simply politics at its worst.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What other descriptions do the Conservatives have for someone not agreeing with them tonite?

You dont stop changing your story long enough to agree with anything.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The vast majority of mainstream media leans left. It is denied by some but really it isn't that hard to see especially post election. What is a concern is the govt listening to ANY view and taking action to see that that view is countered or supressed. It simply is a slippery slope. The spitefulness and untruthful way that this is being packaged is simply politics at its worst.

The hypocrisy of the right now is just ridiculous. Most of what I read has been critical of Obama's picks and objective on the stimilus package. I don't read or listen to FOX, Rush or the WSJ which are all very right leaning. You guys whine about the media, yet the right dominates the airwaves

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

The hypocrisy of the right now is just ridiculous. Most of what I read has been critical of Obama's picks and objective on the stimilus package. I don't read or listen to FOX, Rush or the WSJ which are all very right leaning. You guys whine about the media, yet the right dominates the airwaves

If you dont read or listen to Fox, Rush or WSJ then where are you seeing the criticism? There has actually been very little criticism of Obama's picks despite all the tax troubles. The stimlus package is a piece of junk and has been treated as such. There is no hypocracy in the truth. The right has Fox, the left has the rest, the right has the NY Post and WSJ, the left has the rest. The internet is a tossup. The right has AM radio. Like a lot of people are listening to AM radio nowdays. Radio is one of the media outlets that is shrinking along with print . Now with satillite radio, internet radio, music sharing and ipods and other recording devices being incorporated in autos AM radio is losing listeners.

[AeWingnut]

notice they aren't going after TV and newspapers or movies for that matter...

freedom of speech
free market

things that are enemies of the state


where and when do I get to force my viewpoints on the public airwaves?
or Airhead Amerika

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you dont read or listen to Fox, Rush or WSJ then where are you seeing the criticism? There has actually been very little criticism of Obama's picks despite all the tax troubles. The stimlus package is a piece of junk and has been treated as such. There is no hypocracy in the truth. The right has Fox, the left has the rest, the right has the NY Post and WSJ, the left has the rest. The internet is a tossup. The right has AM radio. Like a lot of people are listening to AM radio nowdays. Radio is one of the media outlets that is shrinking along with print . Now with satillite radio, internet radio, music sharing and ipods and other recording devices being incorporated in autos AM radio is losing listeners.

I see the criticism in the TRib, Sun Times and Daily Herald every day...But..it's objective, and not all encompassing, unlike the robot right.

Dellinger, Tiimi, CNFwhatever..face it...There is NOTHING that Obama could or will do that you can support, He is a Liberal and will govern that way so you are screwed. This is how I felt 8 years ago and I figure you will get tired of posting in 6 or 7 months.

Hopefully he doesn't drag us into a war that kills thousands of Americans and the worse thing you can bitch about is that a gay painter in California gets funded to support his profession.

Don't worry..you can still execute innocent Texans on Death Row so all is not lost