Good Jub Obama! - Page 2

Honu · #21 03-09-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Do you think that the US Government should never fund science?

Im not saying that , are you saying the federal government should fund everything to ever be researched? I think you are , where the hell are we going to come up with the money for anything after we bailout the banks, the homowners, wall street and everything else.

Cannon Shell · #22 03-09-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

We are no longer in the lead in science. Many of our best scientific brains have been fleeing to other countries. Countries that don't confuse science and politics as one and the same.

What evidence is there that this is true? Our best brains have been fleeing to where? Wouldnt a great deal of top scientific minds be working for private industry or universities?

Honu · #23 03-09-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

And there is no way, absolutely no way, your father
would have received this treatement unless basic research
way back in the 60's-70's FUNDED COMPLETELY by the federal
government. The federal government sets the table in basic
research, the private companies spawn and feed from this.
This has been going on for a very long time in this country.
Sorry to disappoint with the news.

Next time anyone has a loved one that goes in for a bypass,
or actually needs any coronary work, please refuse it.
Refuse it because the basic research was FUNDED BY THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT on dogs. THis set the stage way back for
private companies to create fancy valves and methods we see today.

HUGE misconceptions about how basic Science works
in this country. FEDERAL GRANTS for basic research
is ABSOLUTELY necessary for this country to stay in
the lead in Science.

Oh so now you are trying to say there hasnt been any basic research without government funding , so how the hell have they managed to research what they already have in embryonics without the goverment ???? Somehow they have have managed to do so .
Your news doesnt disappoint me but your condencending tone does ...Im thankful my father gets to live about another 7 years before the Myloma returns and kills him , You f u cking assho le.

#24 03-09-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What evidence is there that this is true? Our best brains have been fleeing to where? Wouldnt a great deal of top scientific minds be working for private industry or universities?

We have "lost" some very good Physics people to Europe.
They are still US citizens, but they work for the Europeans.
The large Hadron collider lured them away.

Cannon Shell · #25 03-09-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

We have "lost" some very good Physics people to Europe.
They are still US citizens, but they work for the Europeans.
The large Hadron collider lured them away.

You dont need to be an expert in science to know that far more foreigners come here to study and work than our citizens leave.

#26 03-09-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You dont need to be an expert in science to know that far more foreigners come here to study and work than our citizens leave.

Absolutely true which is why we need to keep funding basic research.
We have done a fantastic job of drawing the best and the brightest
here. But we did (hopefully temporarily) lose some very good people.

If you dont like the pull of the Hadron collider I cant help with that.

#27 03-09-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

Oh so now you are trying to say there hasnt been any basic research without government funding , so how the hell have they managed to research what they already have in embryonics without the goverment ???? Somehow they have have managed to do so .
Your news doesnt disappoint me but your condencending tone does ...Im thankful my father gets to live about another 7 years before the Myloma returns and kills him , You f u cking assho le.

I will get back to you in another way.
Sorry about your father.

IrishofNDMan · #28 03-09-2009, 04:33 PM

This is what makes Obama such an idiot!!!!! Abortion is wrong and someone needs to shine some light on this. People try saying abortion is an alright practice because it's really not a person yet?? Are you f'ing kidding me! If you've heard of partial birth abortion you know how wrong it is. The baby is jacked up with drugs to force the women into early labor and the baby is born without a chance, and sometimes even lives as long as 45 minutes where a nurse will hold the baby and give it what they call "comfort care" before it dies.

If I remember there was once a day when a black man was not considered to be a person and was killed and tortured for this, until someone finally shed some light saying that they are people just like us.

Jews were once considered not to be a person and they were tortured and murdered until finally someone shed some light that they are just like us and they were finally treated fairly.

It's time that someone sheds some light on abortion and an end is put to it. If this practice is considered acceptable than I guess I am not all that proud to be an American.

Antitrust32 · #29 03-09-2009, 04:48 PM

Irish,

Stem cell research is NOT abortion!

Would you rather have the embryo's thrown in the trash, or used to help find a cure for cancer?

This issue is not at all the same as abortion.

IrishofNDMan · #30 03-09-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Irish,

Stem cell research is NOT abortion!

Would you rather have the embryo's thrown in the trash, or used to help find a cure for cancer?

This issue is not at all the same as abortion.

Well when it came to voting it was put together as one and it makes me sick that some people would actually vote for this and that our "leader" would support it!!

SniperSB23 · #31 03-09-2009, 04:52 PM

Timmy is starting to look rational and well informed, that's pretty scary.

#32 03-09-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

We have "lost" some very good Physics people to Europe.
They are still US citizens, but they work for the Europeans.
The large Hadron collider lured them away.

Danzig · #33 03-09-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

Well when it came to voting it was put together as one and it makes me sick that some people would actually vote for this and that our "leader" would support it!!

of course it was put that way-some folks think sperm in a sock is murder-let alone an embryo in a freezer being used for research instead of just being disposed of. apparently folks think there will be a sudden onslaught of mass embryonic development followed by mass murder. i guess i better keep an eye out, crazies hiding in bushes with needles, waiting to leap out and harvest whatever eggs i have left...

Cannon Shell · #34 03-09-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

of course it was put that way-some folks think sperm in a sock is murder-let alone an embryo in a freezer being used for research instead of just being disposed of. apparently folks think there will be a sudden onslaught of mass embryonic development followed by mass murder. i guess i better keep an eye out, crazies hiding in bushes with needles, waiting to leap out and harvest whatever eggs i have left...

Drugs is freakin Pol Pot then

Danzig · #35 03-09-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Drugs is freakin Pol Pot then

lol

Riot · #36 03-09-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you serious? A Science emphasis article? You think the stem cell issue is about science?

They quote politicians on both sides because this is a POLITICAL story! Why is this hard to understand? Unbelievable....

I rest my case.

Riot · #37 03-09-2009, 06:32 PM

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Im not saying that

Yes, I knew that. That's why I asked what your opinion is.

Do you think the government should fund any science at all? Yes, no, some?

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are you saying the federal government should fund everything to ever be researched?

Huh? No, I asked you if you thought the government should fund any science at all.

But as you segued there, no, I don't think the federal government should fund everything ever to be researched.

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I think you are , where the hell are we going to come up with the money for anything after we bailout the banks, the homowners, wall street and everything else

You think I am ... ? I wasn't talking about all of the above.

I was just asking you if you thought the government should fund any science at all.

Riot · #38 03-09-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What evidence is there that this is true? Our best brains have been fleeing to where? Wouldnt a great deal of top scientific minds be working for private industry or universities?

Uh, the fact that people have indeed left the US and gone to other countries that allow more extensive stem cell research ??

Yes, some have left Universities and gone private in the US.

Riot · #39 03-09-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You dont need to be an expert in science to know that far more foreigners come here to study and work than our citizens leave.

So? That doesn't mean some of our best minds have indeed left the US due to governmental restrictions on their areas of specialty.

Riot · #40 03-09-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

If you don't like the pull of the Hadron collider I cant help with that.

Physics joke?