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Old 05-22-2009, 01:36 PM
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I think people are probably just so used to getting fugged over by every company and government agency at every possible opportunity, things like this just aren't that outrageous anymore.
I think if people would stop and take the time to realize what really happened, then they would be outraged. But since it's a track that most people pass on, they really don't care. Now if it happened at Belmont, there would probably be and 8000 post thread trashing everyone from NYRA to Mayland Studart.
The other thing is and I think Bigs mentioned it. What can we/are we supposed to do about it. We can cry and write letters all we want, the only probably effective measure is to boycott the track. All that would do is negatively affect and hurt the game/sport we love so much. I think we have all learned by now, that the majority of the game doesn't care about the fans and bettors.
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Old 05-22-2009, 02:02 PM
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I know the pros and cons of closing the pools before the race goes off have been discussed before on this and many other message boards as well as racing publications etc.

Would that system have prevented the Penn N. race from running or running on time?

Is it the track's decision to implement this?

It sounds like the most logical solution to me and beyond my comprehension how technology is lost (or corrupted) in the racing industry.
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:14 PM
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I think if people would stop and take the time to realize what really happened, then they would be outraged. But since it's a track that most people pass on, they really don't care. Now if it happened at Belmont, there would probably be and 8000 post thread trashing everyone from NYRA to Mayland Studart.
The other thing is and I think Bigs mentioned it. What can we/are we supposed to do about it. We can cry and write letters all we want, the only probably effective measure is to boycott the track. All that would do is negatively affect and hurt the game/sport we love so much. I think we have all learned by now, that the majority of the game doesn't care about the fans and bettors.
You are right. Lets just sweep it under the rug and I'm sure things will change for the better. Nice strategy.
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:25 PM
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You are right. Lets just sweep it under the rug and I'm sure things will change for the better. Nice strategy.
Well if you have all the answers, what should we do? I don't play Penn National, so me boycotting it a week won't affect anyone.
What great ideas do you have for the rest of the betting public specifically those who were affected at Penn to do, to show the industry that we/they are tired of getting screwed?
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Old 10-27-2010, 01:40 AM
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I'd rather gouge my eyes out than bet Penn National, and I bet just about anything.
Yep. I did work a lot in Harrisburg PA in the 90's. To get out of the hotel, I'd head out to Penn National at least one night each week I worked there. There's not much else to do in Harrisburg when there on business. At least there wasn't then.

I was just recreational wagering at Penn National with limited prior background other than the DRF. Even then, as the races ran things didn't seem to play according to Hoyle on the track. Just a gut feeling while watching at the time.

Then a couple years later, this story broke:

7 plead guilty to race-fixing in Pa.

Two owners, five riders at Penn National face fines, up to 5-year terms


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December 01, 2000 Jay Apperson,SUN STAFF

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/200...s-horse-racing

Authorities said owners George D. Berryhill and Neil McElwee selected races to fix and provided money to jockey Ramon Pena, who then offered other jockeys payments of $500 to $1,000 to hold back favored horses from finishing in the money. This allowed the owners to place exacta or trifecta bets on other horses, knowing they could collect on the long shots.



Late this last July of 2010, this story broke:

DELAHOUSSAYE ARRESTED IN PENNSYLVANIA

By Ray Paulick

Pennsylvania-based Thoroughbred trainer Darrel Delahoussaye was arrested by State Police Wednesday morning and charged with several felonies and misdemeanors alleging theft by deception, illegally administering drugs to racehorses, rigging a publicly exhibited contest and tampering with physical evidence in an investigation that began last fall.

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/de...-pennsylvania/




I haven't bet Penn National since those trips to Harrisburg, and now I'd load up on a Jai-Alai game before I'd think about placing a $2 wager at that track.
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Old 10-27-2010, 05:10 AM
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More egregious than the occasional race-fixing scandal is 31% takeout on tris and supers.
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Old 10-28-2010, 09:55 AM
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Thanks for posting. I never saw this video, though I did hear about the scandal.
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