Direct evidence of Iranian involvement???

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

So, just to get this straight, you are using as provocation for war events that took place over 20 years ago? LOL.

The brilliance of some on this board proceeds to a new level.

Dalakhani,some of us do care,and remember that Hezbollah had the Marine barracks blown up(basically imploded on these marines while sleeping.)I don't remember the exact # of marines killed(I should....200-300 I believe.)Yes,I remember it,and this scum has never been brought to justice for it.May not bother you that they got away with it,but hopefully most aren't like you.

[Downthestretch55]

This article was written by Lebanon's Prime Minister:

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0810-24.htm

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

This article was written by Lebanon's Prime Minister:

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0810-24.htm

Hey Fouad,come back when you have decided you will no longer allow the terrorist party Hezbollah to be represented in your Government,and openly allowed to live and plan terrorist attacks from your country.Until you do it,you're not an innocent country.You're a country that is allowing terror to prosper.Your country is a launching pad for terrorist attacks.So,it is attacked by those who are trying to kill the very terrorists that you seem to not mind living with.Now you might care.Blame your own damn self for allowing this scum to live in your country.If you wanted them out,you would have done it.You sure have no excuse for allowing a terrorist group to be represented in the GOVERNMENT.You can try to turn it around all you want,but you tolerated terrorism to be exported from your country.This is why your country is crippled.Learn from it.Don't support terrorists,and then btch about it when those terrorists are hunted down.You wouldn't get rid of this scum.You should have.Your country would still be working with it's infrastructure intact if you had opposed terrorism.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

PLease note that Fouad asks for help to stop Israel from hunting down terrorists in his country,but does not ask for help in keeping the Hezbollah group from firing rockets from his country into civilian areas of Israel.Hezbollah has been doing stuff like this from within his country for a long time.Where was the request from him to the rest of the World to help him stop these terrorists from doing this from within his country? Odd to me that he is o.k. with damage going from his country into another one.Different story now that damage comes the other way.This is why you don't allow terrorists to be in your country.Always, with terrorists, innocent people get hurt.Now he is outraged that innocent people get hurt? He has let the terrorists abound in his country how long?You might want to get rid of your country's terrorists(instead of complaining at the ways others do it.)Should have done what Israel is having to come do.You don't like the way they go about removing terrorists? Remove them your own damn self.

[Danzig]

"Lebanon must be allowed to reclaim its position in this troubled region as a beacon of freedom and democracy where justice and the rule of law prevail, and as a refuge for the oppressed where moderation, tolerance and enlightenment triumph."

a beacon of FREEDOM? where justice and rule of law prevail?!

i wonder if the prime minister was able to keep a straight face when he wrote that?? wow.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Dalakhani,some of us do care,and remember that Hezbollah had the Marine barracks blown up(basically imploded on these marines while sleeping.)I don't remember the exact # of marines killed(I should....200-300 I believe.)Yes,I remember it,and this scum has never been brought to justice for it.May not bother you that they got away with it,but hopefully most aren't like you.

Yeah- lets go on a worldwide killing spree against every man, group or country that has ever defied the US. Why dont we start with...with...why dont we start with Mother England? Didnt they kill a bunch of "americans" a little while back? Those scum should be brought to justice!

How about the viet Cong? How many marine barracks were blown up there? That scum definitely should be brought to justice! Those terrorists!

Cuba? We still owe Cuba for the bay of pigs! Commie bastards! Bring them to justice as well.

I was just thinking...now that we are on the subject, dont we owe Russia pretty good? How about the KAL flight from 1983? Bring them to justice!

Wait, wait, wait...didnt the Germans sink the Lusitania? **** em...get those kraut eating sons of bitches as well! Justice!!!!!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Yeah- lets go on a worldwide killing spree against every man, group or country that has ever defied the US. Why dont we start with...with...why dont we start with Mother England? Didnt they kill a bunch of "americans" a little while back? Those scum should be brought to justice!

How about the viet Cong? How many marine barracks were blown up there? That scum definitely should be brought to justice! Those terrorists!

Cuba? We still owe Cuba for the bay of pigs! Commie bastards! Bring them to justice as well.

I was just thinking...now that we are on the subject, dont we owe Russia pretty good? How about the KAL flight from 1983? Bring them to justice!

Wait, wait, wait...didnt the Germans sink the Lusitania? **** em...get those kraut eating sons of bitches as well! Justice!!!!!

Again,we have a huge difference here.You have tried to put a terrorist group on the same level as a Government's uniformed armed forces (that fight other armed forces.)Hezbollah commits terrorist acts.Militaries will hopefully fight other military forces(instead blowing up buses of civilians,and blowing up the barracks of peace- keeping forces.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

"Yeah- lets go on a worldwide killing spree against every man, group or country that has ever defied the US."



No,lets go bring terrorists to justice before they repeatedly blow up buses,skyscrapers full of civilians,and airliners full of common travelers.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Again,we have a huge difference here.You have tried to put a terrorist group on the same level as a Government's uniformed armed forces (that fight other armed forces.)Hezbollah commits terrorist acts.Militaries will hopefully fight other military forces(instead blowing up buses of civilians,and blowing up the barracks of peace- keeping forces.)

And a government's uniformed armed forces dont blow up buses of civilians and commit "acts of terror"? Are you naive or just daft?

Why does a uniform and a flag give a group any more of a right to commit illegal acts against humanity?

Has the US knowingly committed illegal acts of war against innocent civillians on multiple occasions?

Hasnt the Israeli army done the same thing?

This myopic view of the world is what has exacerbated this forever tense situation.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

And a government's uniformed armed forces dont blow up buses of civilians and commit "acts of terror"? Are you naive or just daft?

Why does a uniform and a flag give a group any more of a right to commit illegal acts against humanity?

Has the US knowingly committed illegal acts of war against innocent civillians on multiple occasions?

Hasnt the Israeli army done the same thing?

This myopic view of the world is what has exacerbated this forever tense situation.

Oh for God's sake cmon. You are making horrible comparisons.
How would you even know if the US has committed illegal acts of war?

Tell you what. As far as we all REALLY know, Hezbollah has committed NO acts of terror. Why dont you try and go write history on them and do some reporting from inside the group. When you and others in this free and open moral society report back on atrocities... I somehow doubt you will be reporting back. Maybe you can act as liason for leaflet writing when they fire their rockets.

Do you really think Israel has ordered its military to purposely TARGET INNOCENT men, women and children? Where is your evidence, and what purpose would this serve? The Israeli Press as well as any Western News organizations would absolutely love to get a hold of this evidence. Im sure the Hezbollah Press would ...

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Yeah- lets go on a worldwide killing spree against every man, group or country that has ever defied the US. Why dont we start with...with...why dont we start with Mother England? Didnt they kill a bunch of "americans" a little while back? Those scum should be brought to justice!

How about the viet Cong? How many marine barracks were blown up there? That scum definitely should be brought to justice! Those terrorists!

Cuba? We still owe Cuba for the bay of pigs! Commie bastards! Bring them to justice as well.

I was just thinking...now that we are on the subject, dont we owe Russia pretty good? How about the KAL flight from 1983? Bring them to justice!

Wait, wait, wait...didnt the Germans sink the Lusitania? **** em...get those kraut eating sons of bitches as well! Justice!!!!!

Those are terrible comparisons. I think we made up with England a long time ago. I think we settled our problems with Germany a long time ago. In addition, Germany has totally changed its ways. They are no longer trying to take over the world.

Hezbollah has not changed its ways. They are pulling the same crap now that they were 20 years ago. There would be no reason for us to forgive Hezbollah. They have not changed their ways.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Oh for God's sake cmon. You are making horrible comparisons.
How would you even know if the US has committed illegal acts of war?

Tell you what. As far as we all REALLY know, Hezbollah has committed NO acts of terror. Why dont you try and go write history on them and do some reporting from inside the group. When you and others in this free and open moral society report back on atrocities... I somehow doubt you will be reporting back. Maybe you can act as liason for leaflet writing when they fire their rockets.

Do you really think Israel has ordered its military to purposely TARGET INNOCENT men, women and children? Where is your evidence, and what purpose would this serve? The Israeli Press as well as any Western News organizations would absolutely love to get a hold of this evidence. Im sure the Hezbollah Press would ...

Well, some people would say the Qana bombing was fairly much an attack on civilians. Also the recent bombing and obliteration of a dairy farm (a dairy farm??) is evidence Israel is trying to bring economic poverty to Lebanon. There are also dozens of incidents of the Israelis targeting civilian infrastructure sites in Gaza, including the decimation of a power station supplying about 2/3 of all electrical power to Gaza.

There have been dozens of UN Sec Council resolutions condemning Israel's military actions against civilians, mostly in Gaza. They always recieve a 13-1 vote (The U.S. is the 1) against Israel.


Many folks believe "Collective Punishment" is a standard part of Israeli military strategy. Who's to say they are right or wrong?

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Well, some people would say the Qana bombing was fairly much an attack on civilians. Also the recent bombing and obliteration of a dairy farm (a dairy farm??) is evidence Israel is trying to bring economic poverty to Lebanon. There are also dozens of incidents of the Israelis targeting civilian infrastructure sites in Gaza, including the decimation of a power station supplying about 2/3 of all electrical power to Gaza.

There have been dozens of UN Sec Council resolutions condemning Israel's military actions against civilians, mostly in Gaza. They always recieve a 13-1 vote (The U.S. is the 1) against Israel.


Many folks believe "Collective Punishment" is a standard part of Israeli military strategy. Who's to say they are right or wrong?

So the Israelis planned an attack on Qana in order to kill innocent women and children? The collective punishment is a possible motive, but it is really hard to defeat an enemy who uses an innocent population as shields. We have video of rockets being fired from behind apartment complexes. Why would a group fire rockets from behind an area where innocent civilians are living?

UN security council res. mean very little apparently. They called for the Lebanese government to disarm Hezbollah a long time ago. And when Syria was appointed head of Human Rights violations... The UN is necessary, but hardly fair or uncorruptable. Hell they had UN soldiers in Africa rape women. And Kofi has a bit of an accounting problem.

[GenuineRisk]

[quote=pgardn]Oh for God's sake cmon. You are making horrible comparisons.
How would you even know if the US has committed illegal acts of war?

Abu Girab comes to mind...

Scuds, I'll be sure to ask my two Moslem stepbrothers if they think Israel should be destroyed, since you think all Moslems support Hezbollah. Seeing as how they both voted for Bush, would you care to wager on their response?

Scuds, you've got to learn the difference between "Islam" and "radical Islam." Islam has plenty of issues it should deal with, it's treatment of women not least among them, but to think every Moslem is seeking the destruction of Israel is silly and misinformed.

I don't disagree with you one bit about the danger of radical Islam. Not one bit.

Originally Posted by pgardn

I will again use Northern Ireland as an example. Here is another case of a long history of war. Now the skirmishes are few and far between. Why? I believe its because people are at work feeding their families and taking vacations. They now have a life to live.
Commerce did this. Some big computer companies came in and put people to work. More commerce followed.

Your analysis of the Northern Ireland situation is correct ... but I'd suggest different terminology.

"Commerce" is a nice word .. but "free market capitalism" is more explanatory and accurate. Ireland (North & South) ... like all socialist countries ... was an economic basket case ... until they shed the socialism and adopted low-tax, free-trade, free-market policies ... and looky-here ... all the problems were solved.

The same thing would happen for the Palestinians and other Arab basket cases ... if they would emulate the capitalist systems of the United States and Israel ... instead of resenting them.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Scuds, I'll be sure to ask my two Moslem stepbrothers if they think Israel should be destroyed, since you think all Moslems support Hezbollah. Seeing as how they both voted for Bush, would you care to wager on their response?

Scuds, you've got to learn the difference between "Islam" and "radical Islam." Islam has plenty of issues it should deal with, it's treatment of women not least among them, but to think every Moslem is seeking the destruction of Israel is silly and misinformed.

I don't disagree with you one bit about the danger of radical Islam. Not one bit.

True ... but ...

... when are the "good" Islamists going to loudly and frequently condemn all the terrorist acts by the "bad" Islamists?

We're still waiting for that to happen ... and the silence is deafening.

[quote=GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Oh for God's sake cmon. You are making horrible comparisons.
How would you even know if the US has committed illegal acts of war?

Abu Girab comes to mind...


I don't disagree with you one bit about the danger of radical Islam. Not one bit.

Absolutley horrible what some US soldiers have done in Iraq. They hopefully, if guilty, will pay a heavy price. They are as evil as any people who prey on the innocent while in a position of power.
And how did we find out about these atrocities???
ANd why are these "soldiers" being brought to justice???

Because we are a free open society with a moral and fair rule of law. These homegrown monsters will also meet the punishment they deserve. Can the same be said for Hezbollah?, since apparently we are making comparisons between what individuals in a free society have done, with a group that has made it their mandate to kill all Jews. THis comparison is absolutely absurd.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

True ... but ...

... when are the "good" Islamists going to loudly and frequently condemn all the terrorist acts by the "bad" Islamists?

We're still waiting for that to happen ... and the silence is deafening.

THis is exactly what I am scared to death of. Honestly it is Nazi like. Arab leaders sit back and listen to the Iranian President say Israel needs to be destroyed and NOT ONE OFFICIAL FROM ANY OF THESE COUNTRIES DENOUNCED THIS.... NOT ONE.

[GenuineRisk]

[quote=pgardn]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Absolutley horrible what some US soldiers have done in Iraq. They hopefully, if guilty, will pay a heavy price. They are as evil as any people who prey on the innocent while in a position of power.
And how did we find out about these atrocities???
ANd why are these "soldiers" being brought to justice???

Because we are a free open society with a moral and fair rule of law. These homegrown monsters will also meet the punishment they deserve. Can the same be said for Hezbollah?, since apparently we are making comparisons between what individuals in a free society have done, with a group that has made it their mandate to kill all Jews. THis comparison is absolutely absurd.

I think we found out about Abu Girab because one soldier had the courage to face down his own military and let out the truth. He's received death threats because of it, too. These are individuals in a free society making these threats, by the way. And how many of the abusers have received any sort of sentence? Just two, correct? (Let me know if I'm wrong on this; I'd be really happy to be wrong). And the men in charge of the military go free or get medals from the President.

(Not that I think we're all that free anymore, anyway...)

Mind you, I'm not condoning Hezbollah. I was just responding to a post that asked how we'd even know whether America was committing any illegal acts of war.

And yes, moderate Moslems should be condemning the behavior of the radical ones. No question.

[SentToStud]

You folks who state that no Arab leaders have spoken against/condemned the actions of Hezbollah are either watching too much Fox News or have not had the opportunity to listen to or read what the rest of the Arab world is saying.

Nearly all the Arab world is against Hezbollah's actions. For obvious reasons, you will hear the average Palestinian support Hezbollah.

You won't read or hear much about Arab leaders' spreaking out against Hezbollah in the U.S. print and broadcast media. Ask yourself, why? Then please let me know.

Here's a sample of what you've been looking for.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull