Weekend Beyers

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

the future 35k claimer Al Khali.

NT

Aren't you exaggerating? 75K claimer maybe...still 3X eligible and if that's not good Wolfson could turn him into a BC winner.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'll take the runner-up over the winner of that race happily the next time they face off. Desormeaux blew the race apart with his move around the first turn, but it's not like Straight Story ever really got to relax. After loafing for the opening quarter they sped it up quite a bit. The two internal quarters between the the 2f and 6f mark were pretty strong and SS responded well despite being put to a drive with about 3fs to go and being carried to the 8 path by the future 35k claimer Al Khali.

Battle of Hastings got basically the same insanely great trip that Julia Tuttle did in the filly race. The difference is BoH has some talent. I do, however, think he's absolutely stretched to the max going more than 9 furlongs. Given the disadvantage Straight Story was at in terms of seasoning, I thought he ran really well and is certainly a decent horse.

NT

You still trip like a 'pace handicapper', Nick. I'd have thought that playing SA/HOL would've worked some of that out of you.

Look at the charts for the two mentioned races; they're completely different types.

Too bad TWINSPIRES doesn't have CNL.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

You still trip like a 'pace handicapper', Nick. I'd have thought that playing SA/HOL would've worked some of that out of you.

Look at the charts for the two mentioned races; they're completely different types.

Too bad TWINSPIRES doesn't have CNL.

I suppose the Julia Tuttle combination might not have been the best. I'm still a bit sore from thinking she was home free in mid-stretch. She did, however, have the race basically gift-wrapped for her when the leader went berserk in upper stretch. The race did completely collapse and that's where she fell apart. She's a filly who needs a perfect pace-setting/stalking trip at a mile.

If I've learned to read your charts astutely, then it would have to seem that the race flow didn't work well in Straight Story's favor, especially when you factor in the variable of how wide he raced the entire way. Did you not see the winner's trip being basically ideal?

NT

[the_fat_man]

Actually, without having watched her race, I thought that JT got all the worst of it, making the 1st move in what turned out to be a 3 move race. I've seen enough of these types of charts (they're probably the most prevalent in turf races) to know that when the flow is against it, there's nothing a horse can do.

I have to watch it again but off the chart I don't like SS' race. Not only because of Kent's move but it appears that Take the Points also 'moved' before him at a key point. SS appears to have gotten the best trip of the pace setters in a race that held well.

[Bobby Fischer]

before & after

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

before & after

I'd still hit it!!!

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

I'd still hit it!!!

yea but FATJessica is symbolic of knowing race flow generalities.

more cushion for da pushin'

[Sightseek]

Wow, if Jessica is fat everyone women in America better go on a diet. It's a terrible outfit.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Wow, if Jessica is fat everyone women in America better go on a diet. It's a terrible outfit.

Its a bad outfit and she looks just as good on the pic on the right as the one on the left anyway. She's also overrated and a Cowboys fan but I'd still be happy to steal her from Homo... I mean Romo.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Wow, if Jessica is fat everyone women in America better go on a diet. It's a terrible outfit.

Not the outfit as much as the jeans. I was watching some special on chick jeans yesterday and it is ridiculous how one pair can look so awesome and the other look so ridiculous on you people

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Scav

Not the outfit as much as the jeans. I was watching some special on chick jeans yesterday and it is ridiculous how one pair can look so awesome and the other look so ridiculous on you people

Now you know why we spend so much time shopping!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Now you know one of the many reasons why we spend so much time shopping!

FTFY

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Now you know why we spend so much time shopping!

How does that explain the shoe thing?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

How does that explain the shoe thing?

I hate shoes - I don't know!

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

How does that explain the shoe thing?

People accessorize shoes bro, even dudes, I have a friend that has about 20 pairs of shoes, it is nuts.

I have 8 pairs and it is ridiculous

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Scav

People accessorize shoes bro, even dudes, I have a friend that has about 20 pairs of shoes, it is nuts.

I have 8 pairs and it is ridiculous

if you count boots, I think I have 6 pairs...

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Scav

People accessorize shoes bro, even dudes, I have a friend that has about 20 pairs of shoes, it is nuts.

I have 8 pairs and it is ridiculous

I've got old sneakers, flip flops, and my personal favorite, bare feet. I had some nicer shoes for work but they got ruined in my closet (water leak through the wall).

I dont understand my friend who has 4.2 million outfits and a pair of shoes to go along with every outfit. And she complains she has no money, but single handidly keeps the mall going through the reccession.

[Indian Charlie]

95% of the time I am barefoot or use my Masai Barefoot Technology sandals (MBT).

I have hiking boots. I have MBT sneakers.

I only have one pair of dress shoes, soley because I have a girlfriend.

In fact, back in college, I once went to the California state republican convention (I have always and always will be libertarian though!) in a suit but wore my hiking boots to the convention.

I remember being in the elevator with Pat Buchanon and his sister Bay. They were polite and friendly, but I don't think Bay liked my shoe selection.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

95% of the time I am barefoot or use my Masai Barefoot Technology sandals (MBT).

I have hiking boots. I have MBT sneakers.

I only have one pair of dress shoes, soley because I have a girlfriend.

In fact, back in college, I once went to the California state republican convention (I have always and always will be libertarian though!) in a suit but wore my hiking boots to the convention.

I remember being in the elevator with Pat Buchanon and his sister Bay. They were polite and friendly, but I don't think Bay liked my shoe selection.

[Bobby Fischer]

seriously race flow is awesome, and I didn't mean to get far off topic.
JESSICA


one of the "Traps" i see with race flow is once in a while mistaking the "bad horses" for being "against the flow". - like if the worst horses happen to be 1-2-3-4 for the race (which isn't that rare in a classy distance turf race)
and all those 4 quit - exactly like they should quit with their lack of talent - then you have to be careful about saying that the race flow was so favorable to those off the pace. It could still be, but what I am saying is that you always look at who is doing the quitting , not just where they happen to be bunched. The same visa-versa idea happens occasionally in dirt sprints where all the good horses happen to be 1-2-3-4 except maybe one good animal with a breathing or pallate problem that always quits.

Another thing to watch out for is giving undue credit to the rank horse or the knucklehead jockey who moves prematurely during the "rest period" before the last move. Yes, that killed his chances, but it is also easy to look great if you move early, and it is easy to blame a jockey and expect that next-out smooth trip. I think Mine That Bird was handled well by FATs and others because they noted the split fractions during the premature move and the raw times agreed with the race flow charts and the visual interpretations.

yet another , tricky situation is a kickback-heavy track such as turfway or woodbine. Anytime kickback is a factor you always have to watch the head on and the pan and try to form an opinion of whether the jockeys are riding wider. This is really less of a (direct) relationship to race flow.

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Actually, without having watched her race, I thought that JT got all the worst of it, making the 1st move in what turned out to be a 3 move race. I've seen enough of these types of charts (they're probably the most prevalent in turf races) to know that when the flow is against it, there's nothing a horse can do.

I have to watch it again but off the chart I don't like SS' race. Not only because of Kent's move but it appears that Take the Points also 'moved' before him at a key point. SS appears to have gotten the best trip of the pace setters in a race that held well.