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GBBob · #21 07-14-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

exactly... I wanted to punch people in the face every time I heard that somehow Bush controlled oil prices. The average American is very dumb.

But..and I'm not disagreeing with you as I've posted before..but wasn't one of GW's early on campaign themes about his "relationships" with the oil industry and how this would benefit the US? And didn't he also use as one of his justifications for the Iraq war was that we would be paid back in oil?

Antitrust32 · #22 07-14-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yeah, you are right, I think they adjust each year for inflation so it is up to $370,000+. And it is amazing how clueless people are on tax brackets.

I know.. and this was a 50 + woman who's been paying taxes her whole life... I was like.. yes, you want the raise.. you cannot get a raise and make less money, you will make more money.

They really need to have a class for this stuff in high school. Its way more important than 80% of the crap they teach that goes in one ear and out the other.

SniperSB23 · #23 07-14-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I know.. and this was a 50 + woman who's been paying taxes her whole life... I was like.. yes, you want the raise.. you cannot get a raise and make less money, you will make more money.

They really need to have a class for this stuff in high school. Its way more important than 80% of the crap they teach that goes in one ear and out the other.

Bingo. Teach people how taxes work, how credit cards work, how mortgages work, how debt works, and various other life skills that most people wind up learning on the fly and is a large part of the reason we are in this current mess.

GBBob · #24 07-14-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Bingo. Teach people how taxes work, how credit cards work, how mortgages work, how debt works, and various other life skills that most people wind up learning on the fly and is a large part of the reason we are in this current mess.

Sure beats learning how to work a stove in Hone Economics

Antitrust32 · #25 07-14-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

But..and I'm not disagreeing with you as I've posted before..but wasn't one of GW's early on campaign themes about his "relationships" with the oil industry and how this would benefit the US? And didn't he also use as one of his justifications for the Iraq war was that we would be paid back in oil?

I dont know about the first thing but I remember hearing the 2nd thing.. Bush, just like Obama, never controlled oil prices or had/has the ability to control the prices.

We really should be getting oil from our own damn country instead of letting foreigners take all our damn money from the pump (robbing our wallets).

Gas is WAY to expensive right now. I want to know what it cost the last time the market was at 8300. Shoot at least last year when they were WAY WAY WAY too high the market was like 12000.

Just looked it up.. for a minute in Oct 2002 the market was around 8300 and gas prices were around 1.50 though other than that it was >1998 when the market was this low, and gas prices were in 1998 1.03 per gallon.

Gas should be no more than 1.75 a gallon right now. Its basically stealing.

ddthetide · #26 07-14-2009, 11:38 AM

anybody that voted for the dems this time should have their taxes go up, you voted for these idiots!

GBBob · #27 07-14-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know about the first thing but I remember hearing the 2nd thing.. Bush, just like Obama, never controlled oil prices or had/has the ability to control the prices.

We really should be getting oil from our own damn country instead of letting foreigners take all our damn money from the pump (robbing our wallets).

Gas is WAY to expensive right now. I want to know what it cost the last time the market was at 8300. Shoot at least last year when they were WAY WAY WAY too high the market was like 12000.

Just looked it up.. for a minute in Oct 2002 the market was around 8300 and gas prices were around 1.50 though other than that it was >1998 when the market was this low, and gas prices were in 1998 1.03 per gallon.

Gas should be no more than 1.75 a gallon right now. Its basically stealing.

I respectfully disagree..you look at long term inflation charts and gas is the only commodity, or basically product of any kind that is still under the average inflation increase. It SHOULD be $4.00 or 5.00 a gallon and maybe that would be in all of our best interests. Kind of painful, but sure would make people walk more, idle less, use public transportation more and stop bitching about the cost of what is still the best bargain around.

SniperSB23 · #28 07-14-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

I respectfully disagree..you look at long term inflation charts and gas is the only commodity, or basically product of any kind that is still under the average inflation increase. It SHOULD be $4.00 or 5.00 a gallon and maybe that would be in all of our best interests. Kind of painful, but sure would make people walk more, idle less, use public transportation more and stop bitching about the cost of what is still the best bargain around.

Yeah, I agree, tax the crap out of it and that should be the money being used for pushing alternate energy. The sooner we break our need for foreign oil the better off we will be.

SCUDSBROTHER · #29 07-14-2009, 12:29 PM

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Yeah, I agree, tax the crap out of it and that should be the money being used for pushing alternate energy. The sooner we break our need for foreign oil the better off we will be.

Yep, any gas price beyond $3 should go 5% for something useful(attack deficit n' alternate energy incentives,) and 5% for oil company profits. Need to do something to protect the industries that are totally reliant on fuel(trucking, airlines etc.) Use that 5% for something other than making pigs fatter.

Antitrust32 · #30 07-14-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yeah, I agree, tax the crap out of it and that should be the money being used for pushing alternate energy. The sooner we break our need for foreign oil the better off we will be.

they already tax the crap out of it. like 1/4 of what we pay at the pump is taxes.

We dont need foreign oil... its right here. we just dont do anything with it.

Its the only smart thing Sarah Palin has ever said.

I'm okay with alternate energy when we actually have the resources and a freakin plan for it.. oh yeah.. and the money for it. its a real bad idea right now.

Antitrust32 · #31 07-14-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

I respectfully disagree..you look at long term inflation charts and gas is the only commodity, or basically product of any kind that is still under the average inflation increase. It SHOULD be $4.00 or 5.00 a gallon and maybe that would be in all of our best interests. Kind of painful, but sure would make people walk more, idle less, use public transportation more and stop bitching about the cost of what is still the best bargain around.

that sounds like a very liberal idea, but it wouldnt be in anyone's best interest right now. Nope, cant even think of one person who's best interest it would be in except the owners of oil companies. Maybe one day like 10 years from now when we have an alternative energy plan in place and understand more about options.

right now the only thing in our best interest is keeping/putting money in our own pockets (and not giving right back to Uncle Sam) and keeping our country safe.

You also must be excited for cap and trade, huh?

SniperSB23 · #32 07-14-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

they already tax the crap out of it. like 1/4 of what we pay at the pump is taxes.

Only 18.4 cents per gallon is federal taxes. The federal government could be taking a far greater share of the pie.

Honu · #33 07-14-2009, 02:56 PM

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Only 18.4 cents per gallon is federal taxes. The federal government could be taking a far greater share of the pie.

Here in Cali the combined total between state and federal is about 62 cents per gallon.....the gas station down the road from me is charging 2.79 a gallon right now.

rpncaine · #34 07-14-2009, 03:16 PM

$2.31 per gallon/regular here in Indy.

SniperSB23 · #35 07-14-2009, 03:21 PM

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Here in Cali the combined total between state and federal is about 62 cents per gallon.....the gas station down the road from me is charging 2.79 a gallon right now.

Yup, and your wonderful state government is taking 44 cents per gallon of it. The feds are only getting 18.4.

Antitrust32 · #36 07-14-2009, 03:37 PM

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Yup, and your wonderful state government is taking 44 cents per gallon of it. The feds are only getting 18.4.

I want to buy a barrel of gas and put it in my backyard. Wonder if that is even possible.

GBBob · #37 07-14-2009, 03:39 PM

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I want to buy a barrel of gas and put it in my backyard. Wonder if that is even possible.

nah..the EPA will get ya'

Cannon Shell · #38 07-14-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yeah, I agree, tax the crap out of it and that should be the money being used for pushing alternate energy. The sooner we break our need for foreign oil the better off we will be.

Nice to see a left leaning member advocate a regressive tax hike. So much for the poor and middle class!

Antitrust32 · #39 07-14-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Nice to see a left leaning member advocate a regressive tax hike. So much for the poor and middle class!

its okay

we can walk and take the bus like Bob said

eventhough there isnt a bus near me and I'd have to walk 5 miles to work. & its freaking hot in florida, even early in the morn!

guess I can get a bicycle.

dellinger63 · #40 07-14-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I want to buy a barrel of gas and put it in my backyard. Wonder if that is even possible.

find a car with an Obama sticker and use a siphon (http://www.tooltopia.com/index.asp?P...ricegrabber_r1) to fill up. Leave a note saying you 'hope' they have enough gas to get to the gas station to fill up. They love to share w/those in need.