Gomez Leading Standings at Saratoga But...

[alysheba4]

thats the best description of a bad ride i have ever read........ " the titanic had a better trip "

[GenuineRisk]

Rupert, I know oracle has made it clear he thinks Gomez is very physically gifted, but not bright-- my question to you, Rupert, is, do you think maybe he is perfectly bright but just doesn't do his homework with the DRF before the races? I know plenty of gifted actors who don't do their prep work before auditions; counting on talent alone to get them through, and I imagine lots of athletes who are extremely physically gifted could be lazy in that way as well.

I remember Jerry Bailey saying he didn't think he was the most talented of jockeys, but that he always, always did his homework before the races. Maybe Gomez is neglecting his homework and it's showing this season? What do you think?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Rupert there is no way that Gomez is not a friend of yours because your analysis of a race is usually dead on but in this case you are quite delusional, to the point where I wonder if you actually saw the race.
First of all Milwaukee is a horse that has some speed. She was not "rank". She was overly restrained behind a crawling pace and grabbed to death. She was not allowed to even gallop along at her normal cruising speed. As far as flattening out? Are you mother******* kidding me?!!!!!! After being grabbed to death, choked down, steadying for a mile, and swinging outside and steadying again, she still ran on for third beaten about 2 1/2 lengths. You have to be kidding me. That ride went into my all time top 10 bad rides and I can't even do it justice with words. That was an absolute trainwreck disaster. The Titanic had a better trip than Milwaukee did. Anyone who would even attempt to defend that ride is not seeing things objectively.

I can't guarantee you that she won't win next time but I certainly will not be betting her. I didn't like the way she was moving the final 100 yards. She was really struggling.

You're wrong to say she wasn't rank. All "rank means" is pulling and hard to control. She was certainly pulling and hard to control. When you're in heavy traffic and your horse is pulling hard, there's not much you can do. He had nowhere to go.

[dalakhani]

I didnt see the race but I am of the opinion that Garrett Gomez is one of the best riders in the country. He isnt perfect...none of them are and Bailey certainly wasnt either.

Gomez can ride any type of horse on either surface from any part of the track. If Ron Anderson sees fit to manage his book, it must tell you something.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Rupert, I know oracle has made it clear he thinks Gomez is very physically gifted, but not bright-- my question to you, Rupert, is, do you think maybe he is perfectly bright but just doesn't do his homework with the DRF before the races? I know plenty of gifted actors who don't do their prep work before auditions; counting on talent alone to get them through, and I imagine lots of athletes who are extremely physically gifted could be lazy in that way as well.

I remember Jerry Bailey saying he didn't think he was the most talented of jockeys, but that he always, always did his homework before the races. Maybe Gomez is neglecting his homework and it's showing this season? What do you think?

I honestly have no idea how much preparation he does for a race. I think that all of these guys look at the Racing Form before the race. Some guys may spend more time than others. I have no idea how much time Gomez spends reading the Racing Form.

All the good jockeys know that the race may not unfold the way they expect, so all the preparation in the world often times goes out the window once the race starts. I wouldn't want a jockey to decide what he's going to do before the race starts. You will sometimes see a race with a ton of speed horses and the pace ends up being slow. Other times you see a race where it looks like there is not much pace and yet the pace ends up being very fast.

The great jockeys are the ones who are the best at adapting to the race as it unfolds. Let's say that you've got a horse that likes to be 2-3 lengths back when the half-mile is run in :47 and let's say that from looking at the Racing Form it appears that the pace will be somewhere around :47. In that situation, the jockey may expect to be sitting 2-3 lengths back. But if the pace ends up being :46, the really great jockey will realize how fast they are going and will be sitting 7-8 lengths back instead of 2-3 lengths back. If the pace ends up being :48, the really great jockey will be on the lead instead of sitting 2-3 lengths back.

Oh my gosh. This arguement is stupid. The only thing that matters in horse racing is wins and money earned. So instead of trying to analyze rides and how someone prepares for a race and how stupid or smart a jock is lets just look at the jocks standing for wins and money earned.

Edgar and Garrett are 1 and 2 in the jockey standings nation wide when it comes to money earned. Now Johnny V is winning at 26%. If Johnny V wasnt hurt then he prob would be at the top of the standings. But these three jocks are prob the best in the nation right now. So to say that a jock who has earned over $10mm this year and is winning at a 18.8% is stupid then the person calling this jock stupid should take a nice long look in the mirror.

Top 3
John R.
Victor E.
Edgar P.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oh my gosh. This arguement is stupid. The only thing that matters in horse racing is wins and money earned. So instead of trying to analyze rides and how someone prepares for a race and how stupid or smart a jock is lets just look at the jocks standing for wins and money earned.

Edgar and Garrett are 1 and 2 in the jockey standings nation wide when it comes to money earned. Now Johnny V is winning at 26%. If Johnny V wasnt hurt then he prob would be at the top of the standings. But these three jocks are prob the best in the nation right now. So to say that a jock who has earned over $10mm this year and is winning at a 18.8% is stupid then the person calling this jock stupid should take a nice long look in the mirror.

I don't think anyone who earns his or her way to the top of his or her profession could possibly be stupid; I just thought it was interesting that people have seen more inconsistent riding from Gomez this year and was curious to toss out the "What about prep work?" thought. (I enjoyed RP's response very much, btw, thank you!)

I'm a big believer in luck, but I think luck can be directed to some extent by hard work, too. But I don't know any more of Gomez's prep work than anyone else who doesn't know him. Or any other jockey's for that matter.