Past the Point to Woodward - Page 2

Gander · #21 08-30-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

PTP can not be considered her biggest rival. Its a Bird was being called the best handicap horse in america before his last. Andy said it a number of times on the NYRA brodcast. He cuts back and Martys horse just freaked today. He will def. be lower odds then PTP IMO.

You may be right but I would love a little head to head side wager between these 2 if you happen to be at the track on Saturday. You going?

justindew · #22 08-30-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

several times now i've seen where people think she'll get 'cooked' up front-but she is far from an unrestrainable front-runner. where is this coming from? she's a tractable horse, not a one-dimensional speedster.

Reread what I said. I don't think she's one-dimensional at all. But the only way I can see her losing to horses of inferior quality is if she gets locked in a speed duel. And if that happens in the Woodward, I don't see Past The Point being the beneficiary.

The Indomitable DrugS · #23 08-30-2009, 07:47 PM

I have the race Past The Point is coming out of running a 121 pace and 98 final. It's the fastest pace race of the whole meet on my numbers.

And my pace numbers tend to come back slower than CJ's .. he might have it a 130.

I don't think RA will look her best hooking a stretch out like that.

The Indomitable DrugS · #24 08-30-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi

they should send well aremed in that one too

Isn't he retired?

Travis Stone · #25 08-30-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

He seems to do well with time off

He seemed to run pretty well in the Florida Derby with less than a handful of weeks rest.

RockHardTen1985 · #26 08-30-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

I dont think we'll see Quality Road run until the Cigar Mile. He seems to do well with time off and the word is that race took everything out of him yesterday. I would have loved to see what he could have done in the Kings Bishop.

Talk about a horrible weekend for Todd Pletcher. His only consolation was a cheap win from the Roundhouse. 3 bad grade 1's in a row. Unbridled Belle was the nuts on the sundae. Man, that was an utter mess.

He had a first timer win. That filly might be ok, she totally missed the break and won for fun. I 100% agree with you though, it was a mess for him this weekend. Munnings and Quality Road both losing had to hurt.

Cannon Shell · #27 08-30-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Isn't he retired?

Chip surgery, out for a while

RockHardTen1985 · #28 08-30-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

You may be right but I would love a little head to head side wager between these 2 if you happen to be at the track on Saturday. You going?

I dont like Martys horse, Im just saying the public will. They might like CCM and Bullsbay better then Hartys horse.

Sightseek · #29 08-30-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Chip surgery, out for a while

Chuck -

Do you see many navicular or ringbone injuries on the track?

Danzig · #30 08-30-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

The Jockey Club Gold Cup would answer alot of questions and if I were NYRA I would darely love to outdo the BC Classic by somehow getting Zenyatti, Summer Bird, The Derby winner, Rachel Alexandra, Quality Road, Well Armed onto one track. We know some of these will not race on pro ride so this could be attractive. Realistic probably no, but it's nice to think of the possibilities of it happening. However I am not holding my breath.

anyone trying to get zenyatta out of california pre-bc is wasting their time. and what questions? rachel's ability to take on open company will be on display next weekend. other than that, what other questions could there possibly be at this point? as for the derby winner, she's already beaten him. quality road? i don't see the need. and well armed? who cares about well armed?! the only distaffer i think that needs to answer questions at this point is zenyatta-not rachel.

Danzig · #31 08-30-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

PTP can not be considered her biggest rival. Its a Bird was being called the best handicap horse in america before his last. Andy said it a number of times on the NYRA brodcast. He cuts back and Martys horse just freaked today. He will def. be lower odds then PTP IMO.

yeah, his win at oaklawn had people talking. oh, wait-they took that away, didn't they?

Danzig · #32 08-30-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew

Reread what I said. I don't think she's one-dimensional at all. But the only way I can see her losing to horses of inferior quality is if she gets locked in a speed duel. And if that happens in the Woodward, I don't see Past The Point being the beneficiary.

what would possibly compel borel to get her in a speed duel?

justindew · #33 08-30-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

what would possibly compel borel to get her in a speed duel?

Maybe the same thing that compelled him to move a furlong too soon in the Belmont with Mine That Bird.

justindew · #34 08-30-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

what would possibly compel borel to get her in a speed duel?

Do you think any jockey says to himself before a race "Ya know, today feels like a good day to get my horse into a speed duel"?

King Glorious · #35 08-30-2009, 10:06 PM

People...........we are talking about Past the Point. Seriously.

RockHardTen1985 · #36 08-30-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, his win at oaklawn had people talking. oh, wait-they took that away, didn't they?

Hey who am I? Serling said he was the best older male horse in America prior to his Belmont race.

Danzig · #37 08-30-2009, 10:08 PM

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Hey who am I? Serling said he was the best older male horse in America prior to his Belmont race.

that's not exactly saying much tho, when you think about it.

Danzig · #38 08-30-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew

Maybe the same thing that compelled him to move a furlong too soon in the Belmont with Mine That Bird.

he thought he had the best horse, and probably discounted summer bird. people seem to keep doing that.

Smooth Operator · #39 08-30-2009, 10:34 PM

Please tell me one of those slugs will step up and beat the filly, King Glorious...

NTamm1215 · #40 08-30-2009, 10:35 PM

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Please tell me one of those slugs will step up and beat the filly, King Glorious...

Could you see if Anabaa's Creation is available to come over? Now that's a racehorse.

NT