Germans move the right (correct) way

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - not even close from what I saw.

What are you basing your opinion upon?

his voting record (thin that it was)

[Riot]

Originally Posted by gales0678

his voting record (thin that it was)

His voting record was not nearly the "most liberal senator" at all.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Riot

His voting record was not nearly the "most liberal senator" at all.

well when the democrats were all in the primaries , the networks labeled him as the most liberal senator in the sneate .....on a vote for vote basis it's hard to compare as he had a thin record...but to name a few that are more to the right than him are schumer, clinton , biden , dodd , kerry , edwards (former sen from nc) were all to the right on him based just on the iraq vote

here is the list riot

http://www.nationaljournal.com/voter...posite&o2=desc

[Riot]

Originally Posted by gales0678

well when the democrats were all in the primaries , the networks labeled him as the most liberal senator in the sneate .....on a vote for vote basis it's hard to compare as he had a thin record...but to name a few that are more to the right than him are schumer, clinton , biden , dodd , kerry , edwards (former sen from nc) were all to the right on him based just on the iraq vote

here is the list riot

http://www.nationaljournal.com/voter...posite&o2=desc

He did have a thin voting record (which bothered me alot during the primaries). But I really can't see him as a "true" liberal on the majority of issues. We disagree

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Riot

He did have a thin voting record (which bothered me alot during the primaries). But I really can't see him as a "true" liberal on the majority of issues. We disagree

look at the link , it's not me spewing lies, it's there in black and white

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

But I really can't see him as a "true" liberal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2NKFy1p8wk

I know it's a perfect impersonation

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Maybe a genius like you can figure that one out.



Yeah, too bad you didn't do that. You didn't call the opinion ridiculous, you called the poster ridiculous. A genius like you can figure out the difference, right?



And he ends with a personal insult

He was being ridiculous. And you have continued to misrepresent yourself. You being insulted about your liberal bent is telling. You are embarrassed to be a called a liberal yet almost universally adopt thier policys as correct.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

chuck-

it's interesting to see the free democrats framed solely as "pro-buisness" ignoring the libertarian social positions they advocate. assuming their party leader is appointed foriegn minister (the usual cabinet role for the junior partner in german coalition governments), he'll be the first openly gay foreign minister I'm aware of.

i'm trying to work my head around a republican doing the same.

you're right that on economic issues this will be a more conservative partership than when the cdu governed with the social democrats. but germany will remain pretty mainstream in a europeon economic model which places far more emphasis on social welfare then here in the states. and they'll remain far more libertarian on social issues than is practical in this country.

i'd love for the u.s. to be as liberal as the new germany under merkel. but i don't think that would be a country you'd like.

that was my point. i don't think you really know what you're cheering for other than some vague notion that "right" is better than "left". Even when that specific "right" would cause you apoplexy if it were attempted here.

Who gives a damn about German social positions. The new govt's economic ideals are far more conservative that the shaky alliance that they replaced. And if you want to take a position that there are all these liberal policies that will be advocated by the new Govt at least spell them out. I understand that Merkel isnt going tocompletely throw in the towel with her union buddies over there. But the shift right, especially on economic issues will put more pressure on left leaning govts (by the way are in serious trouble in other EU countries like the UK) if the measures are sucessful. To me that is a victory for the right people.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Obama has never been considered a "liberal", in the US. At best, center left.

This is the best one yet.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He was being ridiculous. And you have continued to misrepresent yourself. You being insulted about your liberal bent is telling. You are embarrassed to be a called a liberal yet almost universally adopt thier policys as correct.

I'm not "embarassed" to be called a liberal by those ignorant of the breadth of my political views. That would only happen to someone like you, who views the word as a slur

Yup. I'm a lifelong Republican. The party is floundering horribly right now, and that ticks me off and I'm embarassed and angry for what my GOP has become. I voted for Obama because I think him tons better for the country than McCain/Palin ever could be, and yeah, I do want aggressive healthcare reform.

That some of my opinions don't coincide with your narrow-viewed little corner of the conservative world doesn't disqualify me from the GOP in the least.

BTW - there are alot of Republicans who view folks like you as the outliers.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You've posted about 1000 times in a row backing outright Libertarian or even further right points of view. Yet you assert you are a Republican.

And further, you seem to take the position that only your point of view is truely "Republican". Which is silly, as it doesn't match the party platform very well in many aspects.

LoL. 1st Obama isnt a liberal. Now I'm not a republican. Wow. Did you get into Sumitas stash?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm not "embarassed" to be called a liberal by those ignorant of the breadth of my political views. That would only happen to someone like you, who views the word as a slur

Yup. I'm a lifelong Republican. The party is floundering horribly right now, and that ticks me off and I'm embarassed and angry for what my GOP has become. I voted for Obama because I think him tons better for the country than McCain/Palin ever could be, and yeah, I do want aggressive healthcare reform.

That some of my opinions don't coincide with your narrow-viewed little corner of the conservative world doesn't disqualify me from the GOP in the least.

BTW - there are alot of Republicans who view folks like you as the outliers.

I thought I wasnt a Republican? The party's floundering has nothing to do with the core issues of which you have a decidely liberal take. You fail to understand many of the issues that you debate which is why you dont even realize when you simply repeat liberal talking points. Hey balance is good. There is nothing wrong with you wanting to be a Democrat. Specter jumped ship. Why not you?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

LoL. 1st Obama isnt a liberal. Now I'm not a republican. Wow. Did you get into Sumitas stash?

You're a Money Republican. Out here, Orange County is inhabited by mainly Money Republicans.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

LoL. 1st Obama isnt a liberal. Now I'm not a republican. Wow. Did you get into Sumitas stash?

I didn't say you were not a Republican. You call yourself whatever you want. Unlike you, I have no desire to attack you "not one of us", just because you express some opinions not really consistent with historical Republican ideals and platform.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You're a Money Republican. Out here, Orange County is inhabited by mainly Money Republicans.

And housewives and Vladdy's kids

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I didn't say you were not a Republican. You call yourself whatever you want. Unlike you, I have no desire to attack you "not one of us", just because you express some opinions not really consistent with historical Republican ideals and platform.

You have a hard time making a case against me NOT being a Republican. I have a hard time making a case that you ARE a Republican. There inlies the difference.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I thought I wasnt a Republican? The party's floundering has nothing to do with the core issues of which you have a decidely liberal take. You fail to understand many of the issues that you debate which is why you dont even realize when you simply repeat liberal talking points. Hey balance is good. There is nothing wrong with you wanting to be a Democrat. Specter jumped ship. Why not you?

LOL - you don't have a clue what my opinions are about the vast majority of Republican core issues. You fail to understand that your personal opinions are not the only ones common within the party. You think anybody who doesn't think as you do is "a liberal"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You've posted about 1000 times in a row backing outright Libertarian or even further right points of view. Yet you assert you are a Republican.

Doesnt this imply I am not a Republican? Why would me asserting I am a Republican merit a sentence unless you were countering that assertion?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You have a hard time making a case against me NOT being a Republican. I have a hard time making a case that you ARE a Republican. There inlies the difference.

Sadly, your opinion of whether I am a "true" Republican or not doesn't matter in the least, except to you.

BTW - the difference is that I am tolerant of others in the GOP whose views don't exactly match mine. You are not.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - you don't have a clue what my opinions are about the vast majority of Republican core issues. You fail to understand that your personal opinions are not the only ones common within the party. You think anybody who doesn't think as you do is "a liberal"

You have posted enough to make a pretty accurate determination that you have a decidely liberal bent. I never say that my opinions are the same as the GOP. As a matter of fact I rarely mention the GOP. I have many times expressed that I dont care much about many social issues though I would probably lean right on most. But I absolutely oppose the vast majority of what this administration has proposed economically and the cost of the vast social program has cost. If you havent figured that out yet then I guess i am just not trying hard enough.