Lethal Heat possibly running both days of Breeder's Cup - Page 2

RolloTomasi · #21 10-12-2009, 10:01 PM

An interesting sidebar to this will be the medication issue.

Perhaps it will be lost on the CHRB, and they won't even bother to monitor it, but essentially, Lethal Heat will have to run the 2nd race without the benefit of a 24 hr prerace treatment.

The Distaff will be the last BC race Friday, sometime in the afternoon, while the Turf Sprint will be early in the card Saturday.

As I understand it, the prerace treatment is 24hr prior to post time (in fact, some mules were scratched at Pomona this past meet for getting treated 23 hours out by mistake), so the timeframe doesn't allow for a 24hr treatment to be administered legally.

letswastemoney · #22 10-12-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

An interesting sidebar to this will be the medication issue.

Perhaps it will be lost on the CHRB, and they won't even bother to monitor it, but essentially, Lethal Heat will have to run the 2nd race without the benefit of a 24 hr prerace treatment.

The Distaff will be the last BC race Friday, sometime in the afternoon, while the Turf Sprint will be early in the card Saturday.

As I understand it, the prerace treatment is 24hr prior to post time (in fact, some mules were scratched at Pomona this past meet for getting treated 23 hours out by mistake), so the timeframe doesn't allow for a 24hr treatment to be administered legally.

So no lasix if she runs in the Turf Sprint?

Scav · #23 10-12-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

So no lasix if she runs in the Turf Sprint?

Lasix is 3 hours I think, not 24.

Riot · #24 10-12-2009, 11:47 PM

Lasix can't be given closer than 4 hours before the race, and the "24-hour medications" of importance is that one non-steroidal anti-inflammatory can be given at appropriate dose (bute, flunixin, ketoprofen).

Shouldn't be a big thing for the second day unless she comes out a little sore post-race, but I imagine the vet would then scratch her Saturday morning if so.

There are also permitted vitamins, electrolytes, and anti-ulcer meds that can be given 24 hours out.

The California Horse Racing Board rules, and rulings (who's in the dog house, who got positives, etc) are all on-line for the public to see.

Cannon Shell · #25 10-12-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

An interesting sidebar to this will be the medication issue.

Perhaps it will be lost on the CHRB, and they won't even bother to monitor it, but essentially, Lethal Heat will have to run the 2nd race without the benefit of a 24 hr prerace treatment.

The Distaff will be the last BC race Friday, sometime in the afternoon, while the Turf Sprint will be early in the card Saturday.

As I understand it, the prerace treatment is 24hr prior to post time (in fact, some mules were scratched at Pomona this past meet for getting treated 23 hours out by mistake), so the timeframe doesn't allow for a 24hr treatment to be administered legally.

That will be the least of her worries

Cannon Shell · #26 10-13-2009, 12:06 AM

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He's not still racing?

Yeah getting 40 beyers for 7500

After his back to back day races in which he ran 3rd and 2nd in graded stakes getting 90+ Beyers, his next race he got beat 18 lengths in Wv with a 75. After that he got beat 19 in the Pegasus with a 64. Soon after was getting beat in straight 3 year old claiming races.

freddymo · #27 10-13-2009, 04:04 AM

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Yeah getting 40 beyers for 7500

After his back to back day races in which he ran 3rd and 2nd in graded stakes getting 90+ Beyers, his next race he got beat 18 lengths in Wv with a 75. After that he got beat 19 in the Pegasus with a 64. Soon after was getting beat in straight 3 year old claiming races.

Golden Man was a product of whatever Dutrow was up to then.and he raced like 30 times after making a fair amount of money.

Isn't he going to bred the mare anyway this winter. If so who cares she will have 20 years to recover. While I do get the need to do what he is doing, its not like the end of the world.

chucklestheclown · #28 10-13-2009, 02:19 PM

How old is Golden Man now? I think he was at least 5 when he did those 3 in 10 days.
p.s.- I thought this thread was a joke when I saw the title yesterday. Whoops.

reese · #29 10-13-2009, 05:34 PM

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Barry Abrams is a loon . Poor chap.

Not according to Byk..he just refered to Abrams as a "genius" on his program

Kasept · #30 10-13-2009, 05:40 PM

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Not according to Byk..he just refered to Abrams as a "genius" on his program

Damn right he is...

RockHardTen1985 · #31 10-13-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

"Genius" is to humans as "great" is to Thoroughbreds.

They should run her in the distaff and the classic.

Kasept · #32 10-13-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

"Genius" is to humans as "great" is to Thoroughbreds.

Not only is Barry Abrams a genius, he's one of the truly great people in the industry. What he's accomplished since coming to this country is simply remarkable.

freddymo · #33 10-13-2009, 06:45 PM

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Not only is Barry Abrams a genius, he's one of the truly great people in the industry. What he's accomplished since coming to this country is simply remarkable.

You know you questioned Lava Man coming back into training wondering (rightfully so) what the ramifications could be if he were to break down.. While I am with you that Abrams is OK running her back to back one must be somewhat consisent and suggest that if something happened to the mare in the second race the industry would be in HARMS WAY with the horsey lovers..

Is this a Lethal Heats connections are cool and Lava Man's aren't situation? I am not saying it is but it sure tastes like chicken..lol

RolloTomasi · #34 10-13-2009, 06:55 PM

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What he's accomplished since coming to this country is simply remarkable.

And what would that be exactly? Latching on to the teat (or some other body part?...) of Unusual Heat?

Merlinsky · #35 10-13-2009, 07:11 PM

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Damn right he is...

Is there something going on with the replay Steve? In the past the only time I have a problem with a connection to the stream (7pm replay) is when you have a best-of day and maybe they don't rerun it or something. I find out the next day there was no show, but here you obviously did one.

I wanted to hear what you had to say about Lethal Heat and now I can't.

Kasept · #36 10-13-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

You know you questioned Lava Man coming back into training wondering (rightfully so) what the ramifications could be if he were to break down.. While I am with you that Abrams is OK running her back to back one must be somewhat consisent and suggest that if something happened to the mare in the second race the industry would be in HARMS WAY with the horsey lovers..

Is this a Lethal Heats connections are cool and Lava Man's aren't situation? I am not saying it is but it sure tastes like chicken..lol

First of all, I believe under current BC rules, he can pre-enter the 2 races but has to commit on entry day to one or the other. Then even if he could run in both, if you heard him today, he explained the circumstances under which he would do it.. a troubled, undemanding trip in the Distaff. It's a diabolically brilliant idea because it promotes talk about Unusual Heat and how durable and versatile his offspring are...

And a Lethal Heat running on consecutive days and what's going on with Lava Man is apples and oranges.

Kasept · #37 10-13-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

And what would that be exactly? Latching on to the teat (or some other body part?...) of Unusual Heat?

This pretty much indicates that you know little of Abrams' background.

And he is 100% responsible for Unusual Heat's success. He identified him and believed in his potential.

Kasept · #38 10-13-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Is there something going on with the replay Steve? In the past the only time I have a problem with a connection to the stream (7pm replay) is when you have a best-of day and maybe they don't rerun it or something. I find out the next day there was no show, but here you obviously did one.

I wanted to hear what you had to say about Lethal Heat and now I can't.

M,

Thx for the heads up... I'll check. I know K.C. was working with one of the computer's after the show...

Kasept · #39 10-13-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

This is so divorced from reality, I'd be embarrassed to post the above.

Let's put aside his character: he might be a "truly great" person in the industry. I take it that you mean that he is a person with exceptional values. That's great, the industry needs more of this.

"Since coming to this country?" He arrived in Burbank, CA at the age of 11!! Invoking someone's immigration into the United States and subsequent professional success is usually reserved for someone who enters at least in a little later in life and creates something life-changing. I don't see how arriving in 1964 -- he was born in March 1953, according to the NTRA -- and finding a modicum of success decades later makes him a "genius."

Is he sui generis because he trained and drove his standardbreds before becoming a Thoroughbred trainer? That could be the case, but from my research, that's not apparent. Guts was a really nice pacer -- I remember that name, Meadowlands Pace winner, perhaps? -- but what else did he accomplish in Harness racing that brought him to the precipice of "genius?"

If he is indeed a "genius," please inform the NTRA ASAP. From his NTRA bio, a career highlight was Golden Doc A's 4th place finish in the 2008 Kentucky Oaks. Alright, if you had the superfecta, you might disagree with this post.

Speaking of Time finished 8th in the 2008 B.C. Ladies Classic. And if she had finished in the money, on what pedastal would Abrams currently rest with you?

I have no agenda here -- who could have an agenda when discussing Barry Abrams, anyway -- and I wish his horse well if she runs in both Breeders' Cup races, but the facts are the facts.

Gee... OK. Awful lot of effort.

Cannon Shell · #40 10-13-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

You know you questioned Lava Man coming back into training wondering (rightfully so) what the ramifications could be if he were to break down.. While I am with you that Abrams is OK running her back to back one must be somewhat consisent and suggest that if something happened to the mare in the second race the industry would be in HARMS WAY with the horsey lovers..

Is this a Lethal Heats connections are cool and Lava Man's aren't situation? I am not saying it is but it sure tastes like chicken..lol

What the saying? Apples and Oranges?

EDIT-oops, Steve beat me to it.