U.S Intelligence a real oxymorn w/ this Nigerian

[Danzig]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ctions_opinion


as for obama's nom to head the tsa being 'held up' for months, he only named him in september-eight months after taking office. regardless, it's obviously not the democrats at fault.

[Danzig]

Two federal agencies charged with keeping potential terrorists off airplanes and out of the country have been without their top leaders for nearly a year.

It took the Obama administration more than eight months to nominate anyone to lead the Transportation Security Administration and the Customs and Border Protection agency.

The attempted Christmas Day terrorist attack on a Detroit-bound airliner has prompted a review of U.S. security policies. The acting heads of those agencies – both created in response to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks – will be at the forefront of these discussions.

Bogged down with health care reform, the Senate has yet to set a date to hold hearings for the Customs position. And Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., has placed a hold on the president's choice to head the TSA over the senator's concern that the new leader would let TSA screeners join a labor union. This has some Democrats blaming politics for the vacancy.


as for demint placing a hold on the tsa nom-if customs couldn't get a hearing, why would tsa? why is politics at fault, but not the eight month wait to even name a head?

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Riot

This clearly involves the failure of eight years and billions of dollars of "security procedures in place". Bush had responsibility for seven of those years, starting with 9/11. And when was the previous shoe bomber? Obama only had the past year.

Blaming only "the Obama administration" for this is ridiculous. Plenty of intra- and inter-agency failure to go around.

Our airport security system should have been humming along smoothly years ago. Instead it's been fraught with problems since inception.

Bush had four TSA heads in seven years. Obama has had a TSA head nominated for months, whose appointment one Republican has been blocking due to fear of unionization of workers. GOP politics screwing with our safety.

As an aside, Bush prosecuted terrorists in federal court, now Cheney is doing the political hack job on Obama for doing exactly the same. Hypocrites. Bush didn't speak about the shoe bomber for a week, the GOP is bitchin' Obama didn't say anything for three days. Hypocrites. Cheney is talking about "war on terrorists" and Obama doesn't want to publically declare war, and give these pathetic losers the publicity and disruption of America and instillation of fear they crave. The GOP is a clown car show as far as "national security" and "terrorism" goes. Obama has gotten more terrorists in the past 12 months than Bush did in five years.

What we need is Israeli-style airport security. This guy fit the profile of a terrorist bomber to a tee, and it had nothing at all to do with his color, his name, or his father's clear warning: two-week trip, but only one small carry-on. One way ticket, paid for in cash.

They should have caught him before the gate. And they didn't need x-ray screening machines to do it.

....r u serious.....my god, you r clueless.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

....r u serious.....my god, you r clueless.

Why?...You can't blame Obama for this anymore than you can blame Bush for the shoe bomber. Give me a break

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

my first iggy on the list..riot..

Come on man..if I iggied all the right wing nuts on here there would be no left to read.

Originally Posted by GBBob

Come on man..if I iggied all the right wing nuts on here there would be no left to read.

Isn't she a right wing nut that strictly roots for people of color regardless of party affiliation?

OMG I NAILED IT!

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Isn't she a right wing nut that strictly roots for people of color regardless of party affiliation?

OMG I NAILED IT!

You know what I meant...Matt putting her on Iggy is like me putting Timmi, Chuck, Nascar, Witch, Hooves, SoreH, Dellinger, alysheba, etc, etc..what fun would that be? I don't agree with anything they post here, but it's still entertaining

Originally Posted by GBBob

You know what I meant...Matt putting her on Iggy is like me putting Timmi, Chuck, Nascar, Witch, Hooves, SoreH, Dellinger, alysheba, etc, etc..what fun would that be? I don't agree with anything they post here, but it's still entertaining

She's far worse than that group. None of them claim to be democrats while spouting conservative values.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ctions_opinion


as for obama's nom to head the tsa being 'held up' for months, he only named him in september-eight months after taking office. regardless, it's obviously not the democrats at fault.

I agree that eight months to name a new TSA head is too long (although Obama was a bit distracted by a few other disasters).

But DeMint blocking this appointment since last September, approved by everybody else involved, for an additional four months for political reasons is beyond absurd.

Especially considering what happened beginning of December - the TSA accidentally released their security procedures on the internet. Geeshus, who is in charge here? That is the temporary head left over from the last administration. The TSA policies are from the last administration, too - and those have ongoing problems. To quote Chuck's fav, the WSJ this week:

"Emerging as a central focus are deficiencies in the U.S.'s network of watch lists, a system designed after the Sept. 11 attacks to keep tabs on potential terrorists and prevent them from boarding planes, according to a senior U.S. counterterrorism official. The official noted that government audits turned up problems in recent years, including gaps that kept suspected terrorists from being added to the U.S.'s no-fly list."

Blaming this latest incident on "the Democrats and Obama" doesn't stand up in the least. As I said, there appears to be plenty of intra- and inter- agency problems. Another thing left over from the last seven years Obama will have to try and fix.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

She's far worse than that group. None of them claim to be democrats while spouting conservative values.

ROFLMAO. You mean "conservative values" like those here whose sole contribution to political debate is calling someone names and hurling profanity and insults? Like your personal favs: slut, ****, GFY?

Yeah, you're the poster child for intelligent and good "conservative values". Maybe as expressed by Joe Wilson.

"Conservative values" ... like believing the President is a Kenyan Communist Muslim Socialist un-American anti-christ without a birth certificate?

Yeah, I want no part of being associated with that, thanks.

The GOP right now, for the past three years, is nothing like the GOP of the past 40. They are a completely disorganized embarassment of a train wreck.

Bush and Cheney, et. al, leaving 1.2 trillion in debt, two wars, a recession, bank bailouts, torture, lies about WMD, etc. tore the integrity and reputation of the Republican brand so completely that last November the GOP had to sell itself out to the complete whack jobs on the far, far right in an attempt to garner some, any, votes in the last election. And in doing so, they lost about 1/4 to 1/3 of we more moderate GOP to the other side in that voting booth.

The GOP as it sits today: voting 100% no on everything, obstructionist, anti-everything, lying (Mitch McConnell, you've really turned out to be something, and it ain't good) - currently isn't even espousing what are traditional, admired, historical Republican values. Ronald Reagan would turn over in his grave to see what the GOP is today.

Hopefully the crazy far, far right will break off and continue their third party pretensions, so the GOP has some faint hope of recapture of respect, and resurgence in the next 10 years.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

....r u serious.....my god, you r clueless.

Really? Can you expound on anything specific you disagree with, or is calling names the limit of your IQ and political knowledge?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

ROFLMAO. You mean "conservative values" like those here whose sole contribution to political debate is calling someone names and hurling profanity and insults? Like your personal favs: slut, ****, GFY?

Yeah, you're the poster child for intelligent and good "conservative values". Maybe as expressed by Joe Wilson.

"Conservative values" ... like believing the President is a Kenyan Communist Muslim Socialist un-American anti-christ without a birth certificate?

Yeah, I want no part of being associated with that, thanks.

The GOP right now, for the past three years, is nothing like the GOP of the past 40. They are a completely disorganized embarassment of a train wreck.

Bush and Cheney, et. al, leaving 1.2 trillion in debt, two wars, a recession, bank bailouts, torture, lies about WMD, etc. tore the integrity and reputation of the Republican brand so completely that last November the GOP had to sell itself out to the complete whack jobs on the far, far right in an attempt to garner some, any, votes in the last election. And in doing so, they lost about 1/4 to 1/3 of we more moderate GOP to the other side in that voting booth.

The GOP as it sits today: voting 100% no on everything, obstructionist, anti-everything, lying (Mitch McConnell, you've really turned out to be something, and it ain't good) - currently isn't even espousing what are traditional, admired, historical Republican values. Ronald Reagan would turn over in his grave to see what the GOP is today.

Hopefully the crazy far, far right will break off and continue their third party pretensions, so the GOP has some faint hope of recapture of respect, and resurgence in the next 10 years.

hows your 'hope' and 'change' doing..where is the national debt, right now
........................... oh its worse..still have two wars..hes lied time and time again..he sent troops to war..lie..bank bailouts..lie..oh thats right we never
torture our enemys now..how ****ing stupid are you to believe all this bs ..

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

hows your 'hope' and 'change' doing..where is the national debt, right now
........................... oh its worse..still have two wars..hes lied time and time again..he sent troops to war..lie..bank bailouts..lie..oh thats right we never
torture our enemys now..how ****ing stupid are you to believe all this bs ..

The debt is the least of our worries man..we would be in much deeper sh*t without that debt. I love what he is doing.


that otta' piss off a few Nascars

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

European Security is good at airports, but if we are serious about flights coming into the US, we should have US Security checking all US Bound International flights. Would we let Amsterdam officials screen an O'Hare to Laguardia flight? Then why is it OK for them to screen a Detroit bound flight?

It would not be cheap and logistically very difficult, but if we want ownership of who and what is on these Intl US Bound flights, then we should do our own screening.

Now...this isn't meant as an endorsement of US TSA agents by any means...they are troublesome enough as it is, but it's about the principal.

How rightwing of you to question another country's security! We are only one small part of the world order now Bob and for us to suggest that foreign security isnt good enough for us Americans or that we insult their soverignity by checking our inbound flights on their soil is appaling! Dont let Obama find out about this stance or he will have to go to the UN and apologize for you next!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Our airport security system should have been humming along smoothly years ago. Instead it's been fraught with problems since inception.

Ah another successful govt program! Cant wait till 2014 to see how bad the healthcare care TSA is....

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How rightwing of you to question another country's security! We are only one small part of the world order now Bob and for us to suggest that foreign security isnt good enough for us Americans or that we insult their soverignity by checking our inbound flights on their soil is appaling! Dont let Obama find out about this stance or he will have to go to the UN and apologize for you next!

I was just trolling for the blame it on Barack team to show..I kind of believe what I wrote, but also know it"s impossible to execute. You guys want to blame Obama for the debt, go for it, but Cheney is an idiot for what he said. **** happens unfortunately, no matter who is Prez

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Obama has gotten more terrorists in the past 12 months than Bush did in five years.

What misguided source gave you this info? LOL it is preposterous!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

What we need is Israeli-style airport security. This guy fit the profile...

They should have caught him before the gate. And they didn't need x-ray screening machines to do it.

Yeah we do except we have this liberal institution on this country called the ACLU that goes to court to support the rights of terrorists and any measures taken to protect American citizens from them.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I agree that eight months to name a new TSA head is too long (although Obama was a bit distracted by a few other disasters).

But DeMint blocking this appointment since last September, approved by everybody else involved, for an additional four months for political reasons is beyond absurd.

Especially considering what happened beginning of December - the TSA accidentally released their security procedures on the internet. Geeshus, who is in charge here? That is the temporary head left over from the last administration. The TSA policies are from the last administration, too - and those have ongoing problems. To quote Chuck's fav, the WSJ this week:

"Emerging as a central focus are deficiencies in the U.S.'s network of watch lists, a system designed after the Sept. 11 attacks to keep tabs on potential terrorists and prevent them from boarding planes, according to a senior U.S. counterterrorism official. The official noted that government audits turned up problems in recent years, including gaps that kept suspected terrorists from being added to the U.S.'s no-fly list."

Blaming this latest incident on "the Democrats and Obama" doesn't stand up in the least. As I said, there appears to be plenty of intra- and inter- agency problems. Another thing left over from the last seven years Obama will have to try and fix.

Yeah Obama will "fix" the problem by unionizing the TSA which will insure that they remain a dysfunctional organization forever.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I was just trolling for the blame it on Barack team to show..I kind of believe what I wrote, but also know it"s impossible to execute. You guys want to blame Obama for the debt, go for it, but Cheney is an idiot for what he said. **** happens unfortunately, no matter who is Prez

I was only messing with you. Why does Cheney get under the lefties skin so bad?