Democrats in Disarray

[SOREHOOF]

I thought the republicans had the market cornered (pardon the capitalist pun) on Old Wrinkly White Dudes! I'm in no way calling Harry Reid(D Nev) a Nazi! I think I may have been defending his opinion. I don't happen to agree with his opinion, but I respect him for making himself out to be himself.

[SOREHOOF]

I think Harry is as entitled to his bad opinion just as much as any other citizen. Don't forget, we are all just citizens.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pointman

Stop trying to suggest that I somehow condone what Lott said as I have in no way suggested that, Lott's comments were wrong, but you just can't stomach that your hero has made stupid racist comments which bear on his fitness to serve. He should have been worried about his candidate's agenda, not the color of his skin or the way he speaks.

How dare you suggest you know anything about me and race, but it is not unlike liberal idots like yourself to make such careless stupid comments. Are you really saying that you condone these comments and that Reid is fit to serve in our government. Keep trying to defend him, it just gets funnier with every comment you post!

P.S. I don't put much stock in those who make arguments that can't spell the word.

get the chip off your shoulder if you're going to post down here. taking anything i posted in this thread personally is laughably egotistical. when did i say anything about you? why would i bother?

getting back to the point. since you are insisting what reid said is racist, could you parse that out for me? what specifically was racist about it? explain it to me. you are the one insisting on putting an equal sign between what reid said and what lott said. i'm saying it isn't there and i already posted my thoughts on why.

don't keep coming on here saying it's obviously racist without explaining. i don't think it is. i think it's much closer to profiling of white voters. why am i wrong?

btw: i think i also misspelled "believe" in the earlier post.

[Danzig]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ctions_opinion

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

What do you think of the chances of Barack Obama, and as black man, will have to be elected? I think because he's light-skinned and talks nice he has a chance.

What do you think of Senator Thurman's position that segregation should have stood in the US, and giving blacks rights have brought us to the disaster place we are now? I think Senator Thurman was right.

thank the lord that the taxpayer got him a vacation in the sun..he looks darker now..and more trustworthy?..but ive got to call bs on the ried race comment..if he didnt have the vote on healthcare trump card..jezzy and sharpton would be on him like sharks..it stinks.. and by the way .. none has heard a peep from jessy or jessy jr sence he was involved with blago selling
osamas seat in the sen..hmm

[johnny pinwheel]

both parties are tanking and i'm loving it...when the day comes with about 100 people left standing by the two parties...the country will be saved. the two CORRUPT parties are whats bringing us down. people are waking up (finally, because they sure are not that bright) its a divide and conquer system, its not democracy. as long as the suckers keep sucking to this two party system ...we are doomed in the long run

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

both parties are tanking and i'm loving it...when the day comes with about 100 people left standing by the two parties...the country will be saved. the two CORRUPT parties are whats bringing us down. people are waking up (finally, because they sure are not that bright) its a divide and conquer system, its not democracy. as long as the suckers keep sucking to this two party system ...we are doomed in the long run

[pointman]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

get the chip off your shoulder if you're going to post down here. taking anything i posted in this thread personally is laughably egotistical. when did i say anything about you? why would i bother?

getting back to the point. since you are insisting what reid said is racist, could you parse that out for me? what specifically was racist about it? explain it to me. you are the one insisting on putting an equal sign between what reid said and what lott said. i'm saying it isn't there and i already posted my thoughts on why.

don't keep coming on here saying it's obviously racist without explaining. i don't think it is. i think it's much closer to profiling of white voters. why am i wrong?

btw: i think i also misspelled "believe" in the earlier post.

If you need me to explain to you why his comments are racist, then you are more lost than I ever imagined. Not even Reid is making that contention and he apologized for a reason. You just can't admit that there is a double standard, if this was a Republican, people, like Harry Reid, would be calling for his/her head.

As for it being "closer to profiling of white voters," that is a nice try at a spin on it. Are you saying if it is true then the comments are not racist? When has that ever been a defense to racism? Do you really believe that racist whites are more apt to vote for a light skinned African-American candidate than a darker skinned candidate? There will always be idiots that will vote along racist lines, but the vast majority of whites made it clear by electing Obama that Reid's racist views are overwhelmingly not true, the mistake the majority of voters made was buying into Obama's flawed, unrealistic policies.

You, and many other Democrats, only defend Reid because he wants to put forward your flawed agenda which the American people are rejecting in droves. If you don't believe that Reid himself would not jump all over a Republican who made what some also consider to be a true but racially controversial statement, here is how Reid reacted:

Washington, DC — The following is a statement by Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid on William Bennett’s recent comments:

Yesterday, on his radio call-in show, former Reagan Secretary of Education, William Bennett made the following comment, “… you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down.”

“I am appalled by Mr. Bennett’s remarks and call on him to issue an immediate apology not only to African Americans but to the nation. At a time when so many Americans are struggling to recover from two devastating Hurricanes, now is the time to help one another, not feed the fires of racism. America can do better. The Republican Party has recently taken great pains to reach out to the African American community, and I hope that they will be swift in condemning Mr. Bennett’s comments as nothing short of callous and ignorant. They are reminiscent of a time our nation is still struggling to overcome.

Again, I call on him to issue an immediate apology to the nation for his insensitive remarks.”

So let's get to the point.

1- Reid's comments were racist.
2- there are IMO no degrees of "acceptable" racism as you argue.
3- you only defend Reid because he puts forth your flawed agenda.
4- Reid may want heed his own advice.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by pointman

Yesterday, on his radio call-in show, former Reagan Secretary of Education, William Bennett made the following comment, “… you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down.”

Reid is an idiot. But when you post things like this and try to say it's the same thing, you're doing a fine job of making sure Reid isn't the only one...

It's not "degrees of racism," as seems to be your buzzphrase-- they're two totally different things that you're clearly incapable of understanding, and that you just made even more obvious with the attempt to place some sort of equivalency between the comment above and Reid's.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pointman

If you need me to explain to you why his comments are racist, then you are more lost than I ever imagined. Not even Reid is making that contention and he apologized for a reason. You just can't admit that there is a double standard, if this was a Republican, people, like Harry Reid, would be calling for his/her head.

As for it being "closer to profiling of white voters," that is a nice try at a spin on it. Are you saying if it is true then the comments are not racist? When has that ever been a defense to racism? Do you really believe that racist whites are more apt to vote for a light skinned African-American candidate than a darker skinned candidate? There will always be idiots that will vote along racist lines, but the vast majority of whites made it clear by electing Obama that Reid's racist views are overwhelmingly not true, the mistake the majority of voters made was buying into Obama's flawed, unrealistic policies.

You, and many other Democrats, only defend Reid because he wants to put forward your flawed agenda which the American people are rejecting in droves. If you don't believe that Reid himself would not jump all over a Republican who made what some also consider to be a true but racially controversial statement, here is how Reid reacted:

Washington, DC — The following is a statement by Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid on William Bennett’s recent comments:

Yesterday, on his radio call-in show, former Reagan Secretary of Education, William Bennett made the following comment, “… you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down.”

“I am appalled by Mr. Bennett’s remarks and call on him to issue an immediate apology not only to African Americans but to the nation. At a time when so many Americans are struggling to recover from two devastating Hurricanes, now is the time to help one another, not feed the fires of racism. America can do better. The Republican Party has recently taken great pains to reach out to the African American community, and I hope that they will be swift in condemning Mr. Bennett’s comments as nothing short of callous and ignorant. They are reminiscent of a time our nation is still struggling to overcome.

Again, I call on him to issue an immediate apology to the nation for his insensitive remarks.”

So let's get to the point.

1- Reid's comments were racist.
2- there are IMO no degrees of "acceptable" racism as you argue.
3- you only defend Reid because he puts forth your flawed agenda.
4- Reid may want heed his own advice.

and for all that furious typing, you still haven't explained how what reid said was racist. and i don't think you can.

stop throwing out the "it's so obvious i don't have to explain it" b.s. and spell it out for me. reid said that a lighter skinned black who spoke in a way white people find pleasant has more opportunity than a darker skinned man who doesn't.

what specifically is racist about that observation?

if you're going to come down here and type yourself into rhethorical corners, you should have some idea how to get out of them. i don't think you do.

just remember that fox has a fake controversy every day. you might not want to make a permanent record of your gullibility by commenting on them until you've actually thought it through for yourself.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

and for all that furious typing, you still haven't explained how what reid said was racist. and i don't think you can.

stop throwing out the "it's so obvious i don't have to explain it" b.s. and spell it out for me. reid said that a lighter skinned black who spoke in a way white people find pleasant has more opportunity than a darker skinned man who doesn't.

what specifically is racist about that observation?

if you're going to come down here and type yourself into rhethorical corners, you should have some idea how to get out of them. i don't think you do.

just remember that fox has a fake controversy every day. you might not want to make a permanent record of your gullibility by commenting on them until you've actually thought it through for yourself.

What i am really, really going to enjoy is all the angst and whining when Obama gets re-elected. If he can survive about as brutal a year as a President can face trying to move often unpopular agendas along and STILL have a 50/50 approval rating, wait until the economy turns and the Health Care debate is a distant memory.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/...oll/index.html

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by GBBob

What i am really, really going to enjoy is all the angst and whining when Obama gets re-elected. If he can survive about as brutal a year as a President can face trying to move often unpopular agendas along and STILL have a 50/50 approval rating, wait until the economy turns and the Health Care debate is a distant memory.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/...oll/index.html

Pollyanna!

[pointman]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

and for all that furious typing, you still haven't explained how what reid said was racist. and i don't think you can.

stop throwing out the "it's so obvious i don't have to explain it" b.s. and spell it out for me. reid said that a lighter skinned black who spoke in a way white people find pleasant has more opportunity than a darker skinned man who doesn't.

what specifically is racist about that observation?

if you're going to come down here and type yourself into rhethorical corners, you should have some idea how to get out of them. i don't think you do.

just remember that fox has a fake controversy every day. you might not want to make a permanent record of your gullibility by commenting on them until you've actually thought it through for yourself.

Obama had a chance of winning because he was both "light-skinned" and didn't speak with a "negro dialect."

Judging a person's abilities by their racial physical characterics is racist.

"rac·ism (rā'sĭz'əm)
n.
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

Discrimination or prejudice based on race." (Curtesy of Dictionary.com)

"Reid, an early Obama backer, immediately apologized 'for offending any and all Americans, especially African Americans for my improper comments,'" (curtesy of cbsnews.com)

The "N" word he used is offensive to many African-Americans and alone is considered racist. His comments seem to fit the definition to me and many others. Even Reid does not deny that his comments were racist and apologizes specifically to African-Americans. Now explain how his comments were not racist.

[hi_im_god]

Obama had a chance of winning because he was both "light-skinned" and didn't speak with a "negro dialect."

Judging a person's abilities by their racial physical characterics is racist.

the first line is handicapping.

the second line is a non-sequitur. he wasn't judging ability to do a job. only chances to get a job.

"The "N" word he used is offensive to many African-Americans and alone is considered racist. His comments seem to fit the definition to me and many others."

the "n" word is negro? why is it an official classification on the 2010 census form? someone needs to clue in the united negro college fund.

negro! negro! negro!

funny.

no asterisks. this is obviously a site that endorses racism.

your substitution of "n-word" for "negro" doesn't actually turn it into anything more than what it is. an antiquated term. harry reid's old. who knew?

please keep pounding away at something that even fox will discard next week for the next conservative flavor of the day. good luck.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

Obama had a chance of winning because he was both "light-skinned" and didn't speak with a "negro dialect."

Judging a person's abilities by their racial physical characterics is racist.

the first line is handicapping.

the second line is a non-sequitur. he wasn't judging ability to do a job. only chances to get a job.

"The "N" word he used is offensive to many African-Americans and alone is considered racist. His comments seem to fit the definition to me and many others."

the "n" word is negro? why is it an official classification on the 2010 census form? someone needs to clue in the united negro college fund.

negro! negro! negro!

funny. no asterisks. your substitution of "n-word" for "negro" doesn't actually turn it into anything more than an antiquated term. harry reid's old. who knew?

please keep pounding away at something that even fox will discard next week for the next conservative flavor of the day. good luck.

It must have taken a lot of thought at such an intelligent response. You may need rest.

[dalakhani]

Okay, as a liberal, I will agree that what Reid said was poorly worded. What exactly is "negro dialect" God? If Sarah Palin was choosing Condoleeza Rice as her running mate in 2012 and said that one of the reasons she was doing so was because Condoleeza doesnt speak in "negro dialect" the press would have her head.

No? I certainly think the right is playing this one way out of context but at the same time what he said could be offensive.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pointman

It must have taken a lot of thought at such an intelligent response. You may need rest.

i'm good. keep posting knee jerk right wing nonsense. i can always pick it up in the morning if i get tired.

[brianwspencer]

This is a particularly thoughtful, academic look at the linguistics behind this.

So, basically, hi i'm god, read it and appreciate the analysis.

Pointman, say it's stupid without reading it critically, and we'll be all caught up.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/john-mcwhort...og-our-own-eye

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by GBBob

What i am really, really going to enjoy is all the angst and whining when Obama gets re-elected. If he can survive about as brutal a year as a President can face trying to move often unpopular agendas along and STILL have a 50/50 approval rating, wait until the economy turns and the Health Care debate is a distant memory.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/...oll/index.html

That's "if" on the re-election. At least Obama has 90% of the media cheerleading for him. Approval rating is 46% according to a CBS poll. The only healthcare debate going on (except among citizens) is Harry and Nancy debating behind closed doors on how much to screw America.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

This is a particularly thoughtful, academic look at the linguistics behind this.

So, basically, hi i'm god, read it and appreciate the analysis.

Pointman, say it's stupid without reading it critically, and we'll be all caught up.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/john-mcwhort...og-our-own-eye

article reminds me of people hearing that southern drawl and automatically assuming the speaker is less than intelligent, and knows how to skin and cook raccoons.

maybe reid could have spoken better, but if anyone takes a moment and a deep breath, and then reads his comments-then they might not have such a knee-jerk 'rush and fox said it's racist so it must be' reaction. this somewhat reminds me of when that fellow (a council member i think) used the word niggardly and got lambasted for it. demands for apology ensued-for what?! apparently for him using a word that some were unfamiliar with, and didn't understand...