Take Care John McCain

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Like a Republican Senator's job is so important right now.

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How will I know I am right unless a (D) disagrees with me

ok (D) = (S)

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Incidentally over 413,000 in custody and 732,000 fugitives

1.89 million anchor babies born

I'd argue the trivial amount of money they contribute and leave into SS is set off solely by the cost of those incarcerated.

Now how much $$$ do you suppose they have earned and sent home?

How much money has been spent educating them, including going so far as teaching in a bi-lingual environment?

Just recently we had new arrivals come in to the local bar for some cervezas after doing some roofing work. They ordered by pointing. Despite them living in Harvard, IL 8 miles away they hadn't a clue they were in Wisconsin. Not that they had traveled over the border from IL but they had never heard of the word Wisconsin.

Thank God at least locally you push 1 for English or 2 to hang up and call back when you learn how to speak it.

PS I'm sure these two all-stars had insurance on the truck they drove away with. I can't bear to think of the possibility of them having DL's though anything out of the Sec of State of IL would not surprise me.

Come on, let's be fair to them. I'd say about half of the people living in this state have probably never heard of Wisconsin, and come to think of it, I'm not sure there is really much of a reason to know (or care) that it exists.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Come on, let's be fair to them. I'd say about half of the people living in this state have probably never heard of Wisconsin, and come to think of it, I'm not sure there is really much of a reason to know (or care) that it exists.

you may be right come to think of it. It's a good thing because the lake is at full capacity already most summer days.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

you may be right come to think of it. It's a good thing because the lake is at full capacity already most summer days.

In truth, however, I have much more respect for the people of Wisconsin now that so many of them detest Favre.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

am I the only one who thinks its noble to send money back to your family in a very poor country?

I have more respect for most illegals in this country than I do for most citizens.

i think i'm the only one who doesn't give half a damn whether someone else knows how to speak english. it certainly is no difficulty for me if someone else chooses not to learn it-has absolutely no affect on my quality of life at all. why is it a big deal?
i had a guy tell me he didn't like that mexican immigrants fly their flag. i told him i was very proud of my irish heritage, and if i flew that flag no one would care. why is mexico different? back a hundred years ago, it was a different story, with 'irish need not apply' signs everywhere. he was a reasonable fellow, and listened to what i had to say, and i did the same. i think both of us learned a bit from the conversation.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Come on, let's be fair to them. I'd say about half of the people living in this state have probably never heard of Wisconsin, and come to think of it, I'm not sure there is really much of a reason to know (or care) that it exists.

there are us citizens who are unaware that new mexico is indeed part of the united states. i doubt many could find their home state on a map.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think i'm the only one who doesn't give half a damn whether someone else knows how to speak english. it certainly is no difficulty for me if someone else chooses not to learn it-has absolutely no affect on my quality of life at all. why is it a big deal?
i had a guy tell me he didn't like that mexican immigrants fly their flag. i told him i was very proud of my irish heritage, and if i flew that flag no one would care. why is mexico different? back a hundred years ago, it was a different story, with 'irish need not apply' signs everywhere. he was a reasonable fellow, and listened to what i had to say, and i did the same. i think both of us learned a bit from the conversation.

I could care less what flag anyone wants to fly or what language they want to speak. I don't think every time I call in on a bill or visit the ATM I need to be asked whether I want it in english or spanish and I don't want any taxpayer money going to educating anyone here who is illegal. I also expect police to do their jobs and arrest people for illegal things including sneaking into the country. We complain our class rooms are full to capacity, we need jobs and by simply following the law we could improve the situation now and we wouldn't even have to HOPE just DO!

Our borders are way to open to both illegals and terrorists and until they are shored up fighting terrorism like we are now is akin to you going out and doing surveillance on someone you suspect is going to rob your house while leaving your doors wide open to anyone else. Sadly we are finally at the point we are so incompetent we are unable to track and capture a terrorist whose father tried to turn him in!

[SOREHOOF]

Border security is an important issue for exactly that reason. If we can't stop several million ( by anyone's count) illegals coming in from the south how could we expect to catch 20 determined Terrorists from sneaking through with a biological weapon or a dirty nuke? We are busy watching airports for underwear bombs. Maybe it is just a smokescreen for whatever diabolical crap these guys sit around, pray, and come up with.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think i'm the only one who doesn't give half a damn whether someone else knows how to speak english. it certainly is no difficulty for me if someone else chooses not to learn it-has absolutely no affect on my quality of life at all. why is it a big deal?
i had a guy tell me he didn't like that mexican immigrants fly their flag. i told him i was very proud of my irish heritage, and if i flew that flag no one would care. why is mexico different? back a hundred years ago, it was a different story, with 'irish need not apply' signs everywhere. he was a reasonable fellow, and listened to what i had to say, and i did the same. i think both of us learned a bit from the conversation.

I guess, if people have to help pay for Mexicans' kids being educated, then they'd at least like them to fly an American Flag. We allow a reasonable amount of people to come here (legally.) Again, those who want to control our borders are only asking for the same protection people in other countries have. You can teach people a lot, but you can't teach them to be responsible in the breeding shed. They either get it, or they don't. People from poor cultures usually breed beyond their means. We don't need their cultural problems imported to us. There are two main reasons people are poor. The one that's easiest to control is breeding beyond one's means. You can have all the Social Justice efforts you want, but it will only work if people breed within their means. That is hard enough to get our own poor people to do. It's near impossible to get people from other cultures to do it. Simply put..We can't afford illegal immigration to continue. That's a fact. The 9-11 filth was here because we preferred being nice to being safe. I'll tell ya what. I'd allow anybody from Latin America to come here if the payoff was no more Muslims being allowed to immigrate here (or go to college here.)

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

am I the only one who thinks its noble to send money back to your family in a very poor country?

I have more respect for most illegals in this country than I do for most citizens.

I think everyone should be documented. It's very bizarre that people could come in here, bypass all the legal immigrants who are waiting patiently with all the paperwork, and not get punished. And they eat up our health resources because when they get sick, they take up space in a hospital that should be reserved for a legitimate citizen.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Incidentally over 413,000 in custody and 732,000 fugitives

1.89 million anchor babies born

I'd argue the trivial amount of money they contribute and leave into SS is set off solely by the cost of those incarcerated.

You are saying that there are 413,000 illegal aliens 'in custody' - for being illegal? (not for crimes). Where are these nearly half million people being held? Where do you get those figures?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

http://immigrationcounters.com/

Not exactly an "objective" site, there. I'd want to see other estimates. Edit: I saw 'Zigs stuff.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

How will I know I am right unless a (D) disagrees with me

ok (D) = (S)

I just posted a recent Gallup poll in another thread that supports Scuds post. As does the GOP voting record of "No", "No", "No".

Did you know what I learned yestereday? There are over 170 provisions included in the Congressional healthcare reform bill that were put in there at the specific request of Republicans.

Remember that next time Mitch McConnell (R) goes on the Sunday am political rounds and outright lies, saying the Dems are not bipartisan.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

I just posted a recent Gallup poll in another thread that supports Scuds post. As does the GOP voting record of "No", "No", "No".

Did you know what I learned yestereday? There are over 170 provisions included in the Congressional healthcare reform bill that were put in there at the specific request of Republicans.

Remember that next time Mitch McConnell (R) goes on the Sunday am political rounds and outright lies, saying the Dems are not bipartisan.

You're freaking kiddin me.....with Pelosi and Reids' stranglehold on what legislation hits the floor? 170 provisions out of how many pages?? It's Sherman marching through Georgia,by golly! Giving them a 'sliver' of a voice
isn't bipartisan, and you know it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

You're freaking kiddin me.....with Pelosi and Reids' stranglehold on what legislation hits the floor? 170 provisions out of how many pages?? It's Sherman marching through Georgia,by golly! Giving them a 'sliver' of a voice
isn't bipartisan, and you know it.

How can you definitively pronounce it nonpartisan when you are completely unawares of how important that number of provisions is within the overall bill?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I just posted a recent Gallup poll in another thread that supports Scuds post. As does the GOP voting record of "No", "No", "No".

Did you know what I learned yestereday? There are over 170 provisions included in the Congressional healthcare reform bill that were put in there at the specific request of Republicans.

Remember that next time Mitch McConnell (R) goes on the Sunday am political rounds and outright lies, saying the Dems are not bipartisan.

The number of provisions is meaningless as most are technical things that do little but clarify certain numbers, etc.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Riot

I just posted a recent Gallup poll in another thread that supports Scuds post. As does the GOP voting record of "No", "No", "No".

Did you know what I learned yestereday? There are over 170 provisions included in the Congressional healthcare reform bill that were put in there at the specific request of Republicans.

Remember that next time Mitch McConnell (R) goes on the Sunday am political rounds and outright lies, saying the Dems are not bipartisan.

What are the total number of provisions and what is each provision?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think i'm the only one who doesn't give half a damn whether someone else knows how to speak english. it certainly is no difficulty for me if someone else chooses not to learn it-has absolutely no affect on my quality of life at all. why is it a big deal?
i had a guy tell me he didn't like that mexican immigrants fly their flag. i told him i was very proud of my irish heritage, and if i flew that flag no one would care. why is mexico different? back a hundred years ago, it was a different story, with 'irish need not apply' signs everywhere. he was a reasonable fellow, and listened to what i had to say, and i did the same. i think both of us learned a bit from the conversation.

you and me both, so you arent the only one. It doesnt bother me at all if people decide to speak spanish. In fact I feel more Americans should try to be bilingual. or however its spelled. (though I am not and would love to learn spanish, i just keep putting it off)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you and me both, so you arent the only one. It doesnt bother me at all if people decide to speak spanish. In fact I feel more Americans should try to be bisexual. or however its spelled. (though I am not and would love to learn spanish, i just keep putting it off)

FTFY

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

FTFY

that is what booze is for!