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Old 02-06-2010, 02:20 PM
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Inside Post said 85 will need stitches, but walked back to the barn. Chavez initially got up, but went to North Shore.

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Old 02-06-2010, 02:35 PM
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I didnt see him jump over the rails but assuming he is OK physically?
Even if he didn't jump over the rails, is he really a shoe-in to win the Gotham, over the same surface and distance?
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Old 02-06-2010, 03:02 PM
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Even if he didn't jump over the rails, is he really a shoe-in to win the Gotham, over the same surface and distance?
He handled the surface fine when he ran a 105BSF? The horse bugged out and needs Ramon IF he is physically OK and trains on OK he is the FAV and most likely winner IF he goes in the Gotham
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Old 02-06-2010, 03:05 PM
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He handled the surface fine when he ran a 105BSF? The horse bugged out and needs Ramon IF he is physically OK and trains on OK he is the FAV and most likely winner IF he goes in the Gotham
Contessa was just on HRTV and thinks it was an equipment problem but wants to talk to Chavez. I'd say this is the last time Chavez is on the horse.

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Old 02-06-2010, 03:17 PM
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Guess he was just TOO FAST. (Figures don't lie).

Should we suppose that Contessa never sent him around a turn in workouts?

Sucks, cause NYRA so desperately needed a FAST SUPERSTAR.
I don't now about super star but there's some fast horses in town.
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Old 02-06-2010, 03:25 PM
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He handled the surface fine when he ran a 105BSF? The horse bugged out and needs Ramon IF he is physically OK and trains on OK he is the FAV and most likely winner IF he goes in the Gotham
When I said "same surface and distance" I meant "the same conditions as today's race". I didn't mean it as 2 separate strikes against him.

I was basically poking fun at your unfortunate wording ("he blew the turn and the jock pulled him up"--as though it was no big deal) immediately after touting him as the Gotham winner.

Nonetheless, I'd still argue with you even if you had merely said the race was a "throwout". This was not a stumbled start, slipped saddle, broken rein, etc.

If I had to take a guess, I'd suggest that the horse was very rank and resented any sort of restraint from Chavez, causing him to bolt. That spells one thing in my mind..."runoff".

And while his trainer may be able to get him to navigate the turn next time out, there's still undiscovered country afterward in terms of the route of ground. If he is truly a "runoff" then lots of luck keeping up a breakneck pace around two turns.

His best chance would be to show up in a first condition, but even a drop in class isn't always good insurance to get a sprinter to stretch out, especially a rank one. Witness Zensational's pathetic attempt last year.
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Old 02-06-2010, 03:27 PM
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Sharp post. Especially clever how you manage to redboard the "expectations and hype" as absurd. Good call there, notwithstanding the timing.
Considering the history of this trainer with his promising young horses, this horse's pretty unsound breeding and the unlikely ability (again, based on breeding) to get a distance of ground by May, it seemed pretty obvious that this horse is not going to live up to the hype and expectations I've been reading about since he broke his maiden.

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to having at least a modicum of intelligence, thus being able to see what is entirely obvious, hence I never posted my thoughts on this horse prior to today.

Did I anticipate what happened today? Certainly not. Does this mean I redboarded him in my post?

I guess if you have a tiny little brain and are unable to see things with a clear mind, yes.
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Old 02-06-2010, 03:31 PM
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When I said "same surface and distance" I meant "the same conditions as today's race". I didn't mean it as 2 separate strikes against him.

I was basically poking fun at your unfortunate wording ("he blew the turn and the jock pulled him up"--as though it was no big deal) immediately after touting him as the Gotham winner.

Nonetheless, I'd still argue with you even if you had merely said the race was a "throwout". This was not a stumbled start, slipped saddle, broken rein, etc.

If I had to take a guess, I'd suggest that the horse was very rank and resented any sort of restraint from Chavez, causing him to bolt. That spells one thing in my mind..."runoff".

And while his trainer may be able to get him to navigate the turn next time out, there's still undiscovered country afterward in terms of the route of ground. If he is truly a "runoff" then lots of luck keeping up a breakneck pace around two turns.

His best chance would be to show up in a first condition, but even a drop in class isn't always good insurance to get a sprinter to stretch out, especially a rank one. Witness Zensational's pathetic attempt last year.
Maybe? Maybe he just needs some time in the morning. They could have sold him and didnt so Contessa must THINK(whatever that is worth) that he will be ok around 2 turns?
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Old 02-06-2010, 03:43 PM
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Maybe? Maybe he just needs some time in the morning. They could have sold him and didnt so Contessa must THINK(whatever that is worth) that he will be ok around 2 turns?
I doubt any perceived route ability is a factor in deciding not to sell. I think the raw talent displayed is enough to keep from letting him go. There's some money and glory in sprinting. Hopefully they don't allow their Derby Fever to thwart a one-turn career as someone else suggested.

That said, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the horse will be lucky to emulate even horses like Corazondelcampeon or Sea Of Pleasure (who's connections also turned down big dough to roll the dice).
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Old 02-06-2010, 03:44 PM
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Before anyone tosses 85 as a hopeless nag - the bit broke before he bolted per Chavez's agent.
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Old 02-06-2010, 04:13 PM
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Contessa was just on HRTV and thinks it was an equipment problem but wants to talk to Chavez. I'd say this is the last time Chavez is on the horse.

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Old 02-06-2010, 04:44 PM
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Before anyone tosses 85 as a hopeless nag - the bit broke before he bolted per Chavez's agent.

DRF:Eightyfiveinafifty leaves course after bit breaks

How does a bit break? Don't they check their equipment?
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Old 02-06-2010, 04:46 PM
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I doubt any perceived route ability is a factor in deciding not to sell. I think the raw talent displayed is enough to keep from letting him go. There's some money and glory in sprinting. Hopefully they don't allow their Derby Fever to thwart a one-turn career as someone else suggested.

That said, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the horse will be lucky to emulate even horses like Corazondelcampeon or Sea Of Pleasure (who's connections also turned down big dough to roll the dice).
I will take the 6/1 on him to run and win the Gotham for 100.00 if he doesnt show up u win
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Old 02-06-2010, 05:22 PM
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I will take the 6/1 on him to run and win the Gotham for 100.00 if he doesnt show up u win
I'm not sure my mom will let me borrow that much. Let me ask my parole officer.
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Old 02-06-2010, 05:25 PM
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I'm not sure my mom will let me borrow that much. Let me ask my parole officer.
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Old 02-06-2010, 06:00 PM
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You're a fucl<ing dick
He is a dick.
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Old 02-06-2010, 06:42 PM
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Before anyone tosses 85 as a hopeless nag - the bit broke before he bolted per Chavez's agent.
When you're pulling as hard as you can with your feet in the dashboards,bits do tend to break.
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Old 02-06-2010, 06:45 PM
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This thread has it all except...
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He is a dick.
Now this thread officially has it all.
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Old 02-06-2010, 07:48 PM
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Now this thread officially has it all.
Matt -
He basically posted the thread as soon as the horse bolted - (race went off at 1:27, his thread shows up at 1:28) - couldn't be bothered to wait until after the race - without any thought or concern as to whether the horse or jock was in any sort of distress.
That's why I called him a dick.
If the horse finishes running up the track, the connections eat a slice of humble pie and we all have a little chuckle and some light hearted jabs - that the derby trail.
His post was classless, but I guess I shouldn't expect much from him given his history here.
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Old 02-06-2010, 08:02 PM
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Maybe? Maybe he just needs some time in the morning. They could have sold him and didnt so Contessa must THINK(whatever that is worth) that he will be ok around 2 turns?
Whoever "They" is F**U**C**K**E**D Up. New York with their 5 horse fields along with the West coast is now irrelevant as far as the Kentucky Derby goes. NYRA apoligists please have at me.
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