The 3yo's are finally starting to look less horrible

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Exactly. Not like these types of analyses come even remotely close to approximately TRUE ability measuring tools; like BEYERS, for example.

Yeah - being able to understand both the value of race to race circumstances and final time figures is pretty important. Not that you still don't have countless other factors that are sometimes more important than both and sometimes not important at all.

I only type so much about Beyers because they work brilliantly comparing horses many years apart, because the scale is consistant over time, and because I make my own figs on their scale.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Scav

I get it now...There are plenty of non-KY stallions.

Wasn't Smart Strike an Ontario bred?

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes.

He's an Ontario bred that is bred better than 99.99% of Kentucky breds.

He's amazing... but not even the best Ontario-bred stallion/racehorse standing in Kentucky.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Don't tell me you think Awesome Again is bred better than him?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's a full blown talent of Spectacular Bid and Seattle Slew like cloth compared to Yankee Bravo.

I looked up a few old races of Sidney's Candy's 2nd dam (Exchange) ... who can forget the most dreadful creation of all ... the jockey cam! As seen at 1:23 into the following clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnwiy...er_profilepage

Exchange was a really game filly, but not really the most talented runner of all time. I always thought of her as a Spawr juice job.

A nice juiced overachiever who could run on dirt or turf, and I think had some decent sprint races in her career.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's a full blown talent of Spectacular Bid and Seattle Slew like cloth compared to Yankee Bravo.

I looked up a few old races of Sidney's Candy's 2nd dam (Exchange) ... who can forget the most dreadful creation of all ... the jockey cam! As seen at 1:23 into the following clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnwiy...er_profilepage

Seems like Exchange was constantly overbet chalk. That much I remember. That was like the replacement for Paseana. She was good, but not great. Like in this race, she goes in 1:13:32, and (big surprise) she wants to hold on going 1:49 n' change. She was good enough for your purposes. Is this the best mare Candy Ride got? Is that why he was named after the owner?

[Indian Charlie]

Exchange is the 2nd dam.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Exchange is the 2nd dam.

Wow. Searching for video of 2nd dams. Now I remember the one reservation I had about this horse last Summer. Lookin' at the win last August, I remember thinking this guy had some weird action. This is another talented runner Drugs likes that wants to twirl a lasso. I know a lot of people think that's not important, but look at the head-on today. He's twirling, and his front n' back aren't really lined up. Again, a big stride is overcoming the problem. You got to wonder about durability when they're getting around the track that way. That's now a 5th issue. 10 f is a long way to run when a 3 year old is moving that way. I like the horse, but there are some things that are red signs (to me.) Then, I notice the splits today weren't fast (compared to the other races on the main.) He was alone on a moderate pace. So, it may be a little less impressive than it appears. Hey, I like the horse, and it carrying the dead owner's name, but I think ya got to tread lightly with this guy (Run-on sentence -10 BTW pts.) I'm guessing he would tire going 10f. That's my gut feeling. I mean the trainers sort of acting like he knows the horse prefers 1 turn. Guess you could counter that he wanted to make sure n' get some graded money. When you look back at these horses (like when they're late in their 3 year old year,) you notice that these trainers really did know what the horse wanted to do. They are either in a hurry to get to 2 turning, or they aren't. They are almost always right, too. Look at who won this 7f race 2 years ago.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Exchange was a really game filly, but not really the most talented runner of all time. I always thought of her as a Spawr juice job.

A nice juiced overachiever who could run on dirt or turf, and I think had some decent sprint races in her career.

Forget about talent ...

If the sire is Candy Ride and the dam sire is Storm Cat .. it's a huge plus when the 2nd dam won 15-for-30 - could go 1 1/2 miles - could run well on any surface - and was considered an iron horse.

Few pedigrees shout 'probably unsound' more than a Candy Ride to Storm Cat.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes.

He's an Ontario bred that is bred better than 99.99% of Kentucky breds.

I used to post on the Pedigreequery forum like 7 years ago and some guy was pitching Smart Strike when he first came out or shortly after his first few crops..Anyway he certainly was prolific

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Don't tell me you think Awesome Again is bred better than him?

Better bred? Mr. P out of an excellent racemare and superior producer is difficult to argue against, even with Deputy Minister out of a broodmare of the year. I'm talking about race record and sire production. Race record it's no contest (even though Smart Strike was damn good), on production they are both amazing and would be my #1 and #1a choices if I had a good mare.

My point was more that a lot is made out of being a Kentucky Bred around here and that's kind of a hoax when you think about it. It's the same dopes who said Funny Cide couldn't win the Derby because he was a NY-Bred gelding. The horse doesn't care where he was born.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by philcski

Better bred? Mr. P out of an excellent racemare and superior producer is difficult to argue against, even with Deputy Minister out of a broodmare of the year. I'm talking about race record and sire production. Race record it's no contest (even though Smart Strike was damn good), on production they are both amazing and would be my #1 and #1a choices if I had a good mare.

My point was more that a lot is made out of being a Kentucky Bred around here and that's kind of a hoax when you think about it. It's the same dopes who said Funny Cide couldn't win the Derby because he was a NY-Bred gelding. The horse doesn't care where he was born.

Awesome Again(for a top tier stallion) tosses a bunch of blanks..I mean some real crapola. Smart Strike is likely the next Indy..Maybe even better.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Awesome Again(for a top tier stallion) tosses a bunch of blanks..I mean some real crapola. Smart Strike is likely the next Indy..Maybe even better.

There's one of Smart Strike's blanks running Friday at Tampa. Unraced 3 yr old filly can be had for $8k.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...g=5&p=0&f=1&l=

[The Indomitable DrugS]

There are more than a few Smart Strike's that can't run at all.

Check out Strikinglyhandsome next time he makes about his 20th straight start for maiden 5K claimers at Charles Town and gets drubbed like always.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There are more than a few Smart Strike's that can't run at all.

Check out Strikinglyhandsome next time he makes about his 20th straight start for maiden 5K claimers at Charles Town and gets drubbed like always.

The point is not that there arent plenty of crappy horses from both.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There are more than a few Smart Strike's that can't run at all.

Check out Strikinglyhandsome next time he makes about his 20th straight start for maiden 5K claimers at Charles Town and gets drubbed like always.

I know a guy that bred 2 mares to Smart strike in his first or second year standing at stud...Brilliant move, right?
neither ever made it to the track..total dog biscuits.

[Sightseek]

Looks like we'll be seeing Sidney's Candy on dirt before the Derby - he is probably going to the Gotham.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Looks like we'll be seeing Sidney's Candy on dirt before the Derby - he is probably going to the Gotham.

Bad news for Sadler, in New York they actually test and regulate illegal drug use.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Here is the best one of them all. If they are smart, they will take their time with him and point for the big summer races like the Haskell and the Travers. His name is Trappe Shot.

http://www.youtube.com/gulfstreampar...12/4SzHZMNI4aA

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Here is the best one of them all. If they are smart, they will take their time with him and point for the big summer races like the Haskell and the Travers. His name is Trappe Shot.

http://www.youtube.com/gulfstreampar...12/4SzHZMNI4aA

What was the Beyer on that one?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

What was the Beyer on that one?

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