obama demands vote on health care..

[Nascar1966]

Maybe there should also be a vote to impeach O'Dumbass. Might as well throw Pelosi and Reid in the mix. Funny how O'Dumbass could care less about his own political party in getting this bill passed. Oh thats right he's not up for reelection in November.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Maybe there should also be a vote to impeach O'Dumbass. Might as well throw Pelosi and Reid in the mix. Funny how O'Dumbass could care less about his own political party in getting this bill passed. Oh thats right he's not up for reelection in November.

what impeachable offense has he committed? as for reid, the voters in nevada look like they will be showing him the door soon. and it's hard to take your points seriously with your ridiculous nickname for the president. it's rather juvenile, don't you think?

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what impeachable offense has he committed? as for reid, the voters in nevada look like they will be showing him the door soon. and it's hard to take your points seriously with your ridiculous nickname for the president. it's rather juvenile, don't you think?

which nicknames do you prefer?

Obamessiah
Barackovich

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

which nicknames do you prefer?

Obamessiah
Barackovich

none of them. it has nothing to do with anything, i find it silly.

[Cannon Shell]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...wsreel_opinion

Sounds promising

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

which nicknames do you prefer?

Obamessiah
Barackovich

O' Proma Breaka


Theme song snapshot:

Proma Breaka..... Lie teacher....Baracka,..

Baracka.... you know,you lie.....

..(KISS KISS Turkey!!!!..)

Cuz you know .....Stick figure ...You got no spine

....(KISS KISS Turkey!!...)

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

which nicknames do you prefer?

Obamessiah
Barackovich

either one. at least you have the feeling whoever thought those up was over the age of 12.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

which nicknames do you prefer?

Obamessiah
Barackovich

"Dear Leader, Chairman Maobama"

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what impeachable offense has he committed? as for reid, the voters in nevada look like they will be showing him the door soon. and it's hard to take your points seriously with your ridiculous nickname for the president. it's rather juvenile, don't you think?

Thank you for expessing your opinion. Arent you tired of O'Dumbass lies? If your not then someting is wrong. Hopefully if Reid gets the heave ho out then Pelosi will be next. She should shove that health care up her worthless @ss. I dont know about you but im tired of seeing her and Reid on TV talking about that piece of crap health reform bill. What a coward O'Dumbass is by saying he is going to invoke the majority rule thing instead of using how the voting rules has been in the past. O'Dumbass has already proved he is not afraid to put his own party under the bus. Some leader that the Democrat party has. He has already show me that he could care less about the military, retired military, and people on Social Security. Hopefully in 2013 this country will have a Republican leading it.

[sham]

Where can one go to get the straight facts about ObamaCare? Every news outlet has a bias and will spin the tale to their preference. I still don't know what healthcare reform will cost, or if it will explode the deficit, or if Medicare patients will suffer reduced care, or if care will be rationed, or if my insurance premiums will rise and by how much, or how much will my taxes go up, along with many other questions. Do YOU know the answers? Healthcare reform will be a major change to our country if it becomes law. How can anyone risk supporting a major reform with so many unanswered questions?

Here is an interesting wrinkle. Anyone over the age of 60 will likely pay higher premiums and higher taxes for ObamaCare with NO chance of ever receiving a benefit because they will be Social Security age when the benefit phase goes into effect. Remember that the benefit phase will begin four years after tax collection begins in some kind of perverted accounting scheme to make the program look like it is generating a surplus.

There is also this bogus sounding claim that cutting $500B from Medicare and using that money to fund a new entitlement program will somehow 'shore-up' Social Security. Only a complete idiot would buy that claim. In fact, anyone over 60 would have to be a fool to support the current healthcare overhaul legislation.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Thank you for expessing your opinion. Arent you tired of O'Dumbass lies? If your not then someting is wrong. Hopefully if Reid gets the heave ho out then Pelosi will be next. She should shove that health care up her worthless @ss. I dont know about you but im tired of seeing her and Reid on TV talking about that piece of crap health reform bill. What a coward O'Dumbass is by saying he is going to invoke the majority rule thing instead of using how the voting rules has been in the past. O'Dumbass has already proved he is not afraid to put his own party under the bus. Some leader that the Democrat party has. He has already show me that he could care less about the military, retired military, and people on Social Security. Hopefully in 2013 this country will have a Republican leading it.

when you're ready to have a serious discussion, let me know.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by sham

Where can one go to get the straight facts about ObamaCare? Every news outlet has a bias and will spin the tale to their preference. I still don't know what healthcare reform will cost, or if it will explode the deficit, or if Medicare patients will suffer reduced care, or if care will be rationed, or if my insurance premiums will rise and by how much, or how much will my taxes go up, along with many other questions. Do YOU know the answers? Healthcare reform will be a major change to our country if it becomes law. How can anyone risk supporting a major reform with so many unanswered questions?

Here is an interesting wrinkle. Anyone over the age of 60 will likely pay higher premiums and higher taxes for ObamaCare with NO chance of ever receiving a benefit because they will be Social Security age when the benefit phase goes into effect. Remember that the benefit phase will begin four years after tax collection begins in some kind of perverted accounting scheme to make the program look like it is generating a surplus.

There is also this bogus sounding claim that cutting $500B from Medicare and using that money to fund a new entitlement program will somehow 'shore-up' Social Security. Only a complete idiot would buy that claim. In fact, anyone over 60 would have to be a fool to support the current healthcare overhaul legislation.

i don't know. fact check dot org usually will give you the truth, but they don't seem much interested from what i've seen in getting into the nitty gritty of it all. they have some articles about parts of the bill, but nothing that tackles the whole thing.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

when you're ready to have a serious discussion, let me know.

And you try to say im acting like a juvenile. Maybe you should look in the mirror. Im sure your one of the millions that was mislead in 08 by O'Dumbass. If your enjoying seeing this great country of ours going down the tubes then more power to you.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

And you try to say im acting like a juvenile. Maybe you should look in the mirror. Im sure your one of the millions that was mislead in 08 by O'Dumbass. If your enjoying seeing this great country of ours going down the tubes then more power to you.

Uh, I wouldnt be so sure.

[Nascar1966]

Danzig,

Do you agree with the Democratic party new strategy with this bill? Trying to pass it without having a vote. I dont recall anything like this happening before. Have you? If it is passed without a vote I pity each and every Democrat up for election in Congress and the Senate. Hopefully the next job they have is cleaning out a bathroom.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Danzig,

Do you agree with the Democratic party new strategy with this bill? Trying to pass it without having a vote. I dont recall anything like this happening before. Have you? If it is passed without a vote I pity each and every Democrat up for election in Congress and the Senate. Hopefully the next job they have is cleaning out a bathroom.

no, i don't. and no, i didn't vote for obama. as for them doing this before, there have been instances where they pssed things without a vote, altho nothing on a scale of the health care bill from what i understand.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

And you try to say im acting like a juvenile. Maybe you should look in the mirror. Im sure your one of the millions that was mislead in 08 by O'Dumbass. If your enjoying seeing this great country of ours going down the tubes then more power to you.

i'm sorry, but i feel your incessant use of 'o'dumbass' is juvenile. it doesn't make you or your comments look serious. or maybe that's just me. as for the rest, i don't want to see our country go down the tubes. but i also don't think one person, or one small group of people can cause that.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm sorry, but i feel your incessant use of 'o'dumbass' is juvenile. it doesn't make you or your comments look serious. or maybe that's just me. as for the rest, i don't want to see our country go down the tubes. but i also don't think one person, or one small group of people can cause that.

I give you all the credit in the world for expressing your opinion. I might not agree with your opinion but I commend you for expressing it.

[Riot]

Do you agree with the Democratic party new strategy with this bill? Trying to pass it without having a vote. I dont recall anything like this happening before. Have you?

The above is not true. The above is an inaccurate description of passing the reconciliation passages with the bill. It is spin, and some of the news media isn't helping by calling it passing without a vote. It is simply voting on the reconciliation as the same time as the Senate bill.

Here is a detailed explaination: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...th-care/37540/

PS, the GOP has used the same procedure in the past on bills, so it has happened before.

There Will Be an Up or Down Vote on Health Care

Mar 16 2010, 10:40 AM ET

The Wall Street Journal's particularly caustic editorial on the self-executing maneuver that might allow Democrats to pass health care reconciliation legislation without having to first vote on that putrid Senate bill is full of absolutes and adjective constructions: it is an "amazing procedural ruse" -- a "concoction" that violates Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution, which states that for a bill to become law, it "shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate."

Speaker Nancy Pelosi, because of the Stupak 12 and the compromises in the Senate bill, can't get enough Democrats to put their names down on the slate as voting yes on it as a stand-alone measure. The reconciliation fix is much more popular. Hence -- self-executing -- a parliamentary maneuver that essentially "presumes" the Senate bill into law by passing the post-facto fixes only.

Plain enough, right? Even Democrats are buying into the notion, fretting about the optics of allegedly not voting. Not really. In fact, the Journal gets it wrong. So do Democrats. So has the political class. Democrats will still be on the hook for health care. Here's why:

Yesterday, conservative jurist Michael McConnell argued that that Democrats are trying to finish the health care bill without voting on it. Mitch McConnell, the minority leader in the Senate, intoned that Democrats claim they never voted for it even though they'll vote to send it to the president for a signature.

But that's wrong. House Democrats aren't doing that.

In fact, they ARE taking an up or down vote on the Senate health care bill. They're just doing it AT THE SAME TIME as they're passing the reconciliation language, which countermands several controversial provisions. That is: House Democrats still have to vote for the so-called "Cornhusker Kickback," and the "Gator Aid" provisions, but they're going to do so while simultaneously passing the reconciliation fix that removes them. The two bills will essentially be merged into one vote.

But it's still an up or down vote on health care -- one that Republicans can use to bash Democrats with if they want to, but one that Democrats hope will provide them with some political cover -- yes, they voted for the Senate bill, but they did so with its amendments attached.

Republicans really don't have much of a constitutional argument because the Constitution gives the House and the Senate the power to define its own rules. If "deeming" a Senate bill as passed is ruled to be the same thing as passing it, then the bill is "passed," constitutionally. (As Rep. Sam Rayburn, in 1948, put it, "There is to be one vote only; and if the resolution is agreed to, it means that the House concurs in the Senate amendments.")

And while it's true that the rule has never been used for something this large, it's unusual for Republicans to be bothered by the idea that controversial legislation ought to be subject to an up and down vote on its merits. GOPers, endorsed by their own rules guru, Rep. David Dreier of California, have used the maneuver to pass legislation large and small -- including a $40 billion dollar deficit reduction bill. Dreier in 2005 used the tactic to allow Republicans to avoid having to take a recorded vote on an immigration measure. It's also a bit rich for Republicans to complain about a parliamentary tactic being employed in a way that's not in keeping with the spirit of the traditions of Congress.

Truth be told, it's difficult to see the "deeming" move providing any plausible deniability for Democrats. It's just an easier -- and not controversial, or rare -- way for them to pass a difficult bill. In November, they'll still be on the hook.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm sorry, but i feel your incessant use of 'o'dumbass' is juvenile. it doesn't make you or your comments look serious. or maybe that's just me. as for the rest, i don't want to see our country go down the tubes. but i also don't think one person, or one small group of people can cause that.

Yeah....and he's not even Irish!