Standing ovation

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

LOL

Yours is the party of intellectual dishonesty and defeatism

it's kind of hard to be intellectually dishonest when we argue amongst ourselves almost as much as we argue with republicans.

if you're uncomfortable with a broad spectrum of opinion's that differ from your own, the current incarnation of the republican party's for you. the abandonment of the center is almost complete.

it's a little harder being a democrat as you have to deal with the discomfort of being an actual center-left party with all the messy arguments that entails.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Defeatism? Debatable.

The other part, however, was good for a huge lol here. Thanks, Chuck, I needed it on a busy day. The word Republican is essentially a synonym for intellectual dishonesty any way you cut it...you guys basically invented the term through habitual practice of it.

The Dems are just as bad. if you think otherwise remove the blinders.

Politican = intellectual dishonesty. doesnt matter the party.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

The Dems are just as bad. if you think otherwise remove the blinders.

Politican = intellectual dishonesty. doesnt matter the party.

Being a self-serving, likely lying sack of rocks doesn't necessarily make one intellectually dishonest....just dishonest. Different ballgames with different meanings that one party is absolutely EXCELLENT at while the other barely even knows how to get its feet wet.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

The Dems are just as bad. if you think otherwise remove the blinders.

Politican = intellectual dishonesty. doesnt matter the party.

This is SO true!

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Defeatism? Debatable.

The other part, however, was good for a huge lol here. Thanks, Chuck, I needed it on a busy day. The word Republican is essentially a synonym for intellectual dishonesty any way you cut it...you guys basically invented the term through habitual practice of it.

Chicago republicans are not republicans

at any rate can you give me a specific example of a conservative being dishonest. Being accused of a crime is not equal to being guilty of one.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Why don't Pelosi and Biden just change the flag to a hammer and sickle while they're standing up there and just be done with it?

I don't like getting into politics on horsie boards but gotta say, this is a great line.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Chicago republicans are not republicans

at any rate can you give me a specific example of a conservative being dishonest. Being accused of a crime is not equal to being guilty of one.

nah. conservatives are never dishonest. if they are, you just dismiss them from the fraternity so they're not real conservatives anymore.

do you folks ever stop and listen to yourselves?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i wasn't suggesting a 2-3 seat loss overall. that would be a liberal wet dream on par with your conservative wet dream. i was talking about 2-3 freshman seats in competitive districts where dems got elected on obama's coattail that'll probably go republican as a result of a vote cast in favor of healthcare. my point was that healthcare will be a non-issue outside of that small impact.

and so far as your take on the country's mood, what can i say? from your mouth to the republican congressional campaign committee's ear. i couldn't possibly hope for anything more.

they, unfortunately, probably noticed the pennsylvania special election tuesday where a dem was again elected in john murtha's anti-abortion, pro-gun district. the one that voted for john mccain in 2008.

if you live in a vacuum only getting news from sources that reinforce your opinion, you'll believe all the echoes must be reality. i won't try to convince you otherwise.

the election will be whatever it is. but your certainty over a result that's still almost 6 months off as well as the detailed reasons for that "red tsunami" is the kind of arrogance that costs seats.

OK, I should say it's my prediction that the red tsunami is coming. You're correct in that nothing can be that certain 6 months in advance, or wherever hundreds of millions of individuals are involved.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

2 incredibly blatant examples of Dems being intellectually dishonest:

When running for President in 2008, Obama said he was for the passage of the Armenian Genocide Resolution...LIAR

When running for President in 2008, Hillary said she was for the passage of the Armenian Genocide Resolution... LIAR


In 2010, they both turned rats, and begged Congress not to pass the Armenian Genocide Resolution... THREW ARMENIANS UNDER THE BUS

The reason given was that they thought it would hurt the negotiations going on to re-open the border between Turkey and Armenia. This is the biggest load of brown waste they could of served up. Believe me, they were INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST, because all involved knew that Turkey won't open the border until Armenia leaves the Nagorno-Karabakh area of Azerbaijan. Turkey has promised this, and Armenia won't leave on it's own. As you will now note, the talks are going nowhere, and they will continue that way.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The amount of racial profiling that would occur if your employer scenario was enacted would dwarf the supposed racial profiling that this law supposedly causes. For if you want to enforce draconian penalties for employers for hiring illegals, many will simply stop hiring anyone that remotely looks or talks like the stereotypical illegal.

This is not racial profiling. Everyone has to produce documents (not just Latinos.) If someone's English is as Ethier's is, then employers won't bother him. What it does is put an emphasis on English skills. Not just Latinos' English Skills. Anyone's English Skills. The only way to stop Illegal Immigration is for it to be painful to get caught. Since we don't seem willing to give the Illegals pain, the only alternative is to punish employers that break the law by hiring them. No Gold = No Gold Rush.

[Riot]

Whatever measures used to stop Illegal Immgration needs to be very forceful. We need to punish those who hire them. Even if the illegals have fake papers to show, employers should be fined if it's found that THEY HAVE AN ILLEGAL WORKING FOR THEM.

The amount of racial profiling that would occur if your employer scenario was enacted would dwarf the supposed racial profiling that this law supposedly causes.

You guys are both unawares of the Arizona law (around for some time now) strictly prohibiting hiring of illegal immigrants, with tough sanctions and fines for doing so?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

You guys are both unawares of the Arizona law (around for some time now) strictly prohibiting hiring of illegal immigrants, with tough sanctions and fines for doing so?

This is a National problem, and laws are only followed when they are enforced.

[Princess Doreen]

Rep. Tom McClintock - R/CA - response to Mexican President Calderon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JDo36xPYgE

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

This is a National problem, and laws are only followed when they are enforced.

The entire City of Chicago is an immigrant safe zone meaning Chicago cops, inspectors, social service workers etc. etc. are ordered not to question immigration status. Without enforcement there might as well be no law.

Incidentally the City of Chicago also saw fit to re-interpret the 2nd amendment outlawing a citizen from owning or possessing a handgun (even in their own residence). For that I HOPE they are severely punished very, very soon.

PS Il. Senator Roland Burris was found to have a gun in his house but wasn't punished after giving the excuse he didn't know it was there. An extra spoon or fork I can understand but forgetting you have a gun? Must be pretty gangsta' if that is true!

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

nah. conservatives are never dishonest. if they are, you just dismiss them from the fraternity so they're not real conservatives anymore.

do you folks ever stop and listen to yourselves?

ya got me. Give yourself a standing ovation.

if they vote and act like democrats what am I supposed to do?
Just shrug and say, "they're all the same"?

No - I say dump the RINO and get someone else.

[quote=GBBob;649642]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Why don't Pelosi and Biden just change the flag to a hammer and sickle while they're standing up there and just be done with it?

Applauding the viewpoint of the president of Mexico, who's people are invading our country illegally...wow...if that doesn't justify all the condescension and arrogance we get from the Democratic party, I don't know what does.

It will be amusing in November when the Republican Tsunami sweeps many of the liberals out of office, because they will be on talk shows hanging their heads saying "I don't understand why this happened..."[/QUOTE]

Because it happens every time there's a majority plus a sitting President. You can't take credit for an uprising when it happens all the time.

Yeah doddaly. I bet u guys were doddaly expecting this to happen back in late 2009 when Obama turned water to wine.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it's kind of hard to be intellectually dishonest when we argue amongst ourselves almost as much as we argue with republicans.

if you're uncomfortable with a broad spectrum of opinion's that differ from your own, the current incarnation of the republican party's for you. the abandonment of the center is almost complete.

it's a little harder being a democrat as you have to deal with the discomfort of being an actual center-left party with all the messy arguments that entails.

I thought is was hard to be a democrat because they are wrong about most things?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Being a self-serving, likely lying sack of rocks doesn't necessarily make one intellectually dishonest....just dishonest. Different ballgames with different meanings that one party is absolutely EXCELLENT at while the other barely even knows how to get its feet wet.

Funny that you call the right liars yet we all know where the right stands on virtually every issue. The left? What ever way the wind blows... (or polls say)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You guys are both unawares of the Arizona law (around for some time now) strictly prohibiting hiring of illegal immigrants, with tough sanctions and fines for doing so?

I am aware of federal laws that knowingly hire illegals. The onus is only on the business owner if he knows he is employing illegals. Proving that isnt so easy if he has accurately filled out I-9's.

[Danzig]

honestly, i don't know why anyone concerns themselves at all about illegal immigrants. neither party wishes to do a damn thing about it. both sides benefit from illegals. the govt conceded that with illegals paying in, but not taking out of social security, is one reason the program remains solvent. as for them costing us with welfare and the like, i doubt many illegals ask for public aid, as the last thing they want or need is to let anyone know they're around. is it an issue? obviously? does anyone know how to fix the issue? doesn't appear to be the case.