The former Gulf of Mexico

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How do you disagree with facts? The facts are there are a lot of issues with alternate sources of energy. I didn't make them up. They arent my opinion.

She is famous for disagreeing with facts. She was of the opinion that Bin Laden was not at all popular amongst Muslims around the world. The polls showed that Bin Laden was very popular in Muslim countries throughout the world. His approval rating was around 50% in most Muslim countries. When Riot was presented with this information, she said, "I disagree." She disagreed that he was popular even though all the polls showed he was popular. Even though the polls showed that somewhere around 50% of Muslims admired Bin Laden, Riot continued to believe that it was only a tiny percentage of Muslims that admired him.

Hypothetical conversation between Cannon and Riot:

Cannon: The Lakers beat the Celtics last night.

Riot: I disagree.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How do you disagree with facts? The facts are there are a lot of issues with alternate sources of energy. I didn't make them up. They arent my opinion.

You haven't mentioned any facts. You said these forms of alternative energy are expensive, I've said they've become pretty affordable, increasingly inexpensive. There is geothermal in Kentucky - public buildings and private homes & businesses. Of course there are issues - and I think the biggest is the statement I highlighted and disagreed with, where you said, "doesnt have anything to do with what we want or what we know." I think it has a heck of alot to do with what we want and know. You disagree.

You want facts, throw some out there.

Here's some: here's a website for heating/air company that installs geothermal private heating/cooling in your town of Louisville Kentucky. You could go geothermal tomorrow:
http://www.louisvilleair.com/waterfu...geothermal.htm

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

She is famous for disagreeing with facts. She was of the opinion that Bin Laden was not at all popular amongst Muslims around the world. The polls showed that Bin Laden was very popular in Muslim countries throughout the world.

Immediately following 9/11, only in a few countries. You keep leaving that part out

[Riot]

Originally Posted by witchdoctor

Riot never let's the facts in the way of her opinion.

Really? What facts are you seeing, that I am ignoring?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You haven't mentioned any facts. You said these forms of alternative energy are expensive, I've said they've become pretty affordable, increasingly inexpensive. There is geothermal in Kentucky - public buildings and private homes & businesses. Of course there are issues - and I think the biggest is the statement I highlighted and disagreed with, where you said, "doesnt have anything to do with what we want or what we know." I think it has a heck of alot to do with what we want and know. You disagree.

You want facts, throw some out there.

Here's some: here's a website for heating/air company that installs geothermal private heating/cooling in your town of Louisville Kentucky. You could go geothermal tomorrow:
http://www.louisvilleair.com/waterfu...geothermal.htm

Give me a break. The fact remains that alt sources of energy are fraught with issues and aren't cheap. Sure I could go solar too if i had a spare 125k to spend on it. I could switch over to geothermal if I had a spare 25k. And I live in a relatively small house.

If scientists could figure out how to store Riot's hot air then we could have an endless supply of clean energy.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

If scientists could figure out how to store Riot's hot air then we could have an endless supply of clean energy.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Give me a break. The fact remains that alt sources of energy are fraught with issues and aren't cheap. Sure I could go solar too if i had a spare 125k to spend on it. I could switch over to geothermal if I had a spare 25k. And I live in a relatively small house.

Or you could replace your furnace, hot water heater, and central air conditioning units for $10-12K when they break, decline the energy savings tax break you'd get with geo, and forfeit the significant daily operational cost savings over a much longer equipment lifetime (that would make the equipment pay for itself in a significantly shorter timeframe than regular gas appliances).

The fact remains that the main thing standing in the way of alternative energy source development and use in the US is the public's lack of desire to embrace it. The technology is advancing, the costs are coming down, but some Americans have no interest whatsoever in learning about the possibilities.

Edit: and it's about time for one of you predictable herd to blame it all on Obama

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Immediately following 9/11, only in a few countries. You keep leaving that part out

It wasn't just a few countries. It was all the big Muslim countries.

Let me ask you a question. You seem to have an opinion on this. I'm not sure what your opinion is based on but you seem to have an opinion. Here is my question: If you would have done a poll with every single Muslim person in the world and you would have done this poll every month from 2002-2004, what would you guess that Bin Laden's approval rating would have been on average during this period?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Or you could replace your furnace, hot water heater, and central air conditioning units for $10-12K when they break, decline the energy savings tax break you'd get with geo, and forfeit the significant daily operational cost savings over a much longer equipment lifetime (that would make the equipment pay for itself in a significantly shorter timeframe than regular gas appliances).

The fact remains that the main thing standing in the way of alternative energy source development and use in the US is the public's lack of desire to embrace it. The technology is advancing, the costs are coming down, but some Americans have no interest whatsoever in learning about the possibilities.

Edit: and it's about time for one of you predictable herd to blame it all on Obama

The public would embrace it if it wasnt so expensive. Regardless of your spin above I would still have to come up with 25k in order to save roughly a $1000 a year. It all sounds great till you have to come up with the cash.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

It wasn't just a few countries. It was all the big Muslim countries.

Let me ask you a question. You seem to have an opinion on this. I'm not sure what your opinion is based on but you seem to have an opinion. Here is my question: If you would have done a poll with every single Muslim person in the world and you would have done this poll every month from 2002-2004, what would you guess that Bin Laden's approval rating would have been on average during this period?

What do you think Bin Laden's approval rating is today?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

What do you think Bin Laden's approval rating is today?

Better than Obama's!



c'mon that was too easy

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

What do you think Bin Laden's approval rating is today?

As I said before, the polls show it is much lower today. It appears the main reason it has gone down so much is because most of Al Qadea's bombings over the last few years have killed Muslims. Most Muslims don't like the idea that Bin Laden mainly kills other Muslims.

Right now if we polled every single Muslim person in the world, my best guess is that Bin Laden's approval rating would be somewhere around 10-20%.

What do you think it would be right now and what do you think it was back around 2002-2004?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The public would embrace it if it wasnt so expensive. Regardless of your spin above I would still have to come up with 25k in order to save roughly a $1000 a year. It all sounds great till you have to come up with the cash.

We encourage new development/building both public and private to use appropriate alternative energy (less costly than retrofitting) - decrease the need for new oil drilling, new coal, new nuclear plants, markedly decrease pollution and CO2, etc. Many in the US still view all alternative energy as "whacky, new-age, hippie" type of stuff. The technology is advancing by leaps and bounds, in other countries.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Most Muslims don't like the idea that Bin Laden mainly kills other Muslims.

Gee. Hum.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Better than Obama's!



c'mon that was too easy

I did laugh.

Duely adjusted. Thank you.

Number of Not Anti-Obama threads started, that degenerated into being an Anti-Obama thread anyway: 16/44

So, anyway, back to the subject of the thread: How 'bout them horrific underwater pictures, heh?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Or you could replace your furnace, hot water heater, and central air conditioning units for $10-12K when they break, decline the energy savings tax break you'd get with geo, and forfeit the significant daily operational cost savings over a much longer equipment lifetime (that would make the equipment pay for itself in a significantly shorter timeframe than regular gas appliances).

The fact remains that the main thing standing in the way of alternative energy source development and use in the US is the public's lack of desire to embrace it. The technology is advancing, the costs are coming down, but some Americans have no interest whatsoever in learning about the possibilities.

Edit: and it's about time for one of you predictable herd to blame it all on Obama

good lord, glad i don't live in kentucky. i replaced my heat pump/air conditioner with the top of the line unit available, and spent half that. a new water heater for about $350 more, if i needed one. my cooling bill is less than half what it was already, and that's without leaving electricity and going to solar or geothermal. no need to go with all that fancy stuff, when simply going with more efficient units save money and electricity., thereby saving energy.

thing is, if alternatives were readily available, and just as cost efficient as what we have currently, there would be no hesitation to use them. it's just not the case.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

If the Sun can (in a relatively short period of time) turn White people shades of Red or Brown, then, this must be something we can harness better than we do. Without the Sun, how much energy would you have to use (tanning beds etc.) to get these results? That's just the surface of one person's body. Think about all the energy that is available there. What is the problem? The collection, or the storage? Seems like using energy obtained now, can be stored by using it to push water up a grade. Get your energy by letting the water do what it does at hydroelectric plants (come down a grade n' turn turbines.) Why do we have to do Nuclear when we should be using the damn Sun?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

What do you think Bin Laden's approval rating is today?

I'm still waiting for your answer. What do you think Bin Laden's approval rating would be right now and what do you think it was back around 2002-2004?

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

If the Sun can (in a relatively short period of time) turn White people shades of Red or Brown, then, this must be something we can harness better than we do. Without the Sun, how much energy would you have to use (tanning beds etc.) to get these results? That's just the surface of one person's body. Think about all the energy that is available there. What is the problem? The collection, or the storage? Seems like using energy obtained now, can be stored by using it to push water up a grade. Get your energy by letting the water do what it does at hydroelectric plants (come down a grade n' turn turbines.) Why do we have to do Nuclear when we should be using the damn Sun?

We're novices when it concerns the electromagnetic spectrum. We're probably a century away from cracking the nut.