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08-10-2010, 03:46 PM
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Candy Ride (obvious talent / very fast)
Curlin (Demonstrated great ability right off the bat with multiple terrific performances in an incredibly short period of time from his debut to the Preakness....unbelievable) Ghostzapper (obvious talent / very fast) Discreet Cat (obvious talent / very fast) Empire Maker (This horse always had the reputation of being a bit of a goof. He never seemed to really put it all together mentally, and had some injury problems, etc. He won three G1s and never finished out of the exacta on talent alone) 
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08-10-2010, 03:47 PM
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The title of your thread got me thinking. I believe Raw Talent was the name of the autobiography of 80's adult film star, Jerry Butler. A humorous read, if I recall correctly.
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08-10-2010, 03:49 PM
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I dont know about Discreet Cat, what was he? A true true miler? If thats the case then I guess so. I think Midnight Lute was a better sprinter and Bernardini would have killed him going 9f.
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08-10-2010, 03:55 PM
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08-10-2010, 03:57 PM
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That was a WOW type effort... A lot like the Borrego video I posted the other day.
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08-10-2010, 04:53 PM
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08-10-2010, 06:29 PM
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Ghostzapper. Fastest horse the last 10 years.
Mineshaft. The best handicapper season since Cigar. Curlin. As already stated, to go from a late debut to the Preakness with so little foundation against a good crop. He validated it later on. Smarty Jones. Ran the 3 fastest spring sheet numbers ever at the time. Before he got to Churchill, he was the fastest they had on record. 3rd in the Belmont was 8 lengths back. Point Given/Empire Maker. This is subjective. While both accomplished quite a bit- particularly PG's 4 straight million dollar races- I'm not sure we saw the best of them. I think either could have been a monster at 4. Very difficult to leave off Barbaro, whom many think was better on turf, Rachel Alexandra, the best 3yo filly I ever saw, or Midnight Lute when he was healthy.
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08-10-2010, 06:30 PM
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Kickin n Screamin-bad trainer
Hank-Don't mess with him Lloydobler- Able to place many times with a slimmed down Sciacca galloping him Joe the Dude-you don't know yet Angry Dragon-Shiek Kauffman calls the shots
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08-10-2010, 09:53 PM
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I know Midnight Lute gets many a mention on this thread, but I'm not sure he's fully being appreciated even so. If not for a breathing problem, he'd be more like Ghostzapper in terms of range of distance. Baffert originally figured him as a TC/BCC hopeful, but couldn't fix the air issues in time. Given how he stayed sprinting, I guess it was never fully resolved.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...aul&id=3120551 Baffert flat out says he was going to be his Derby horse. I believe it. I think you're talking a horse with the raw talent to be a world beater at any distance. I'd be excited to have one of his foals on the way, honestly. I've always felt Real Quiet was underrated, and it's a real shame ML had those problems. If he gets a TC hopeful, what do you wanna bet someone's gonna go 'well his sire was a champion sprinter so you can't expect him to go long.' Completely underestimates the potential of his progeny (provided he doesn't also pass on his own physical flaw).
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08-10-2010, 10:05 PM
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He was a really good one, but if your going to add a horse like him, off of 1 giant effort, then I guess I can add Borrego off of one giant effort.
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08-10-2010, 10:12 PM
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08-10-2010, 10:17 PM
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Where were you yesterday? LOL I could have used this backup. His Pacific Classic before the JCGC was huge also.
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08-10-2010, 10:21 PM
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What's the view on Lost in the Fog? He did do a 1:07 and change 6f. He's also a King's Bishop winner. RIP to him and Harry "Battle of the G** D*** Bulge" Aleo. One of the funniest moments of live sports tv interviews I've seen. I bet more than one producer passed out. I think Quint was the interviewer, and he went pretty pale. In fairness, it was a pretty stupid question.
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08-10-2010, 10:22 PM
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Good point... In that case, the Gulfstream allowance filed SUCKED. It was a disaster he should have cruised. I agree about the Travers, I have said multiples times I thought the Travers validated him as being very good. As far as huge efforts and being brillant he had 1 IMO, but I guess he would be very high on any raw talent list and thats what this is.
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08-10-2010, 10:25 PM
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08-10-2010, 10:29 PM
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More thread pollution.
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08-10-2010, 10:56 PM
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