Does this taint the Travers?

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Absolutely true! My guess is that it happened in the race and would possibly explain why he flattened out in the stretch...but it's a guess nothing more!

My guess is that J.T. Lundy may have been hanging around his barn.

But that too ... is just a guess.

[dalakhani]

I think the idea that this fine performance was tainted is ridiculous. Even on BGC's best day, it wasnt going to beat Bernardini yesterday.

I agree with BB. The injury could have happened any time and it certainly did not affect the outcome.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I think the idea that this fine performance was tainted is ridiculous. Even on BGC's best day, it wasnt going to beat Bernardini yesterday.

I agree with BB. The injury could have happened any time and it certainly did not affect the outcome.

Pure speculation either way...maybe it did and maybe it didn't! Nobody can say absolutely either way! I agree that the best horse won the race, other than that....interesting discussion but nothing more!

[hockey2315]

Bluegrass Cat, by Storm Cat, bred and owned by WinStar farm, sustained a non-displaced fracture of the right hind pastern while running second to Preakness Stakes winner Bernardini in the Travers. Subsequent to the race, radiographs were taken when it was discovered that Bluegrass Cat was significantly lame in the right hind leg. Surgical options are currently under review by owners Bill Casner and Kenny Troutt. The injury is career ending but not life threatening.

“We are clearly disappointed that Bluegrass Cat’s racing career has come to an end. We are excited however about his extraordinary prospects as a stallion,” said Doug Cauthen, president of WinStar farm. “He was three for three as a two year old with Todd in New York, winning two graded stakes races including New York’s juvenile derby prep, the Remsen (G2). He set a stakes record at three, won the $1million Haskell by a record seven lengths, ran second in both the $2 million Derby (G1)and the $1 million Belmont (G1) and placed to the great Bernardini in the $1 million Travers. With his pedigree, race record and exceptional conformation, Bluegrass Cat is a commercial breeder’s dream.”

“This horse was just coming into his own. Bluegrass Cat was bringing his game to a whole new level coming off his performance in the Haskell. It is quite disappointing that his career has come to an end. He was a very special horse,” said trainer Todd Pletcher.

Bluegrass Cat was bred to be a racehorse and bred to be a sire. He is by Storm Cat out of a Grade 1 producing A.P. Indy mare who is out of a Graded Stakes winning / multiple graded stakes producing daughter of Mr. Prospector, herself of a Grade 1 winner and Champion producing of Northern Dancer.

It has not yet been determined when the horse will ship back to WinStar.

It happened during the race- ok everybody?!

[Suffolk Shippers]

This doesnt at all taint Bernardini's win...I'd like to think it more shows the guts of Bluegrass Cat for taking two shots at the winner despite this injury.
BCG has a lot of temerity and he showed it yesterday, it's too bad he injured himself in the process.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Bluegrass Cat, by Storm Cat, bred and owned by WinStar farm, sustained a non-displaced fracture of the right hind pastern while running second to Preakness Stakes winner Bernardini in the Travers. Subsequent to the race, radiographs were taken when it was discovered that Bluegrass Cat was significantly lame in the right hind leg. Surgical options are currently under review by owners Bill Casner and Kenny Troutt. The injury is career ending but not life threatening.

“We are clearly disappointed that Bluegrass Cat’s racing career has come to an end. We are excited however about his extraordinary prospects as a stallion,” said Doug Cauthen, president of WinStar farm. “He was three for three as a two year old with Todd in <a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=new%20york" onmouseover="window.status='New York'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">New York</a>, winning two graded stakes races including New York’s juvenile derby prep, the Remsen (G2). He set a stakes record at three, won the $1million Haskell by a record seven lengths, ran second in both the $2 million Derby (G1)and the $1 million Belmont (G1) and placed to the great Bernardini in the $1 million Travers. With his pedigree, race record and exceptional conformation, Bluegrass Cat is a commercial breeder’s dream.”

“This horse was just coming into his own. Bluegrass Cat was bringing his game to a whole new level coming off his performance in the Haskell. It is quite disappointing that his career has come to an end. He was a very special horse,” said trainer Todd Pletcher.

Bluegrass Cat was bred to be a racehorse and bred to be a sire. He is by Storm Cat out of a Grade 1 producing A.P. Indy mare who is out of a Graded Stakes winning / multiple graded stakes producing daughter of Mr. Prospector, herself of a Grade 1 winner and Champion producing of Northern Dancer.

It has not yet been determined when the horse will ship back to WinStar.

It happened during the race- ok everybody?!

Why are you so upset? The Saratoga publicist apparently is quoted as saying that it happened when BC kicked a stall at night; if they are certain that it happened during the running, fine....

It appears that BC was going to be retired anyway at the end of the season, since an Win Star ran an ad for him in this week's Thoroughbred Times

[ateamstupid]

The way I feel..

1.) It's definitely a shame that this happened.. BGC was a nice 3-year-old who could've taken some of the later 3-year-old stakes (IN Derby, Pegasus, etc.) this year.

2.) It's pretty irrelevant whether it happened in the race or not, considering BGC could've had eight legs plus a set of wings and never gotten close to Bernardini at the wire.

Originally Posted by Betsy

Why are you so upset? The Saratoga publicist apparently is quoted as saying that it happened when BC kicked a stall at night ...

That's exactly what J.T. "The Hammer" Lundy said about Alydar.

The race was over when Bernardini got in front of BC before the 1st turn. I really thought that BC would try to get the lead in this race. I cannot believe that Pletcher didnt send BC or HC. Or maybe Bernardini is that much freaking better than neither could get the lead. But kudos to BC for trying so hard. But he is a Storm Cat and they will eventually be their own demise.

[sumitas]

the soundest Storm Cat at stud is the little known Cornish Snow, 46-12-8-5 $351,149

STALLION SIRE FARM LOCATION FEE ENTERED STUD

CornishSnow Storm Cat Mt. Mebo Equine Center AR $2,000 2002

he was bred to 27 mares in '05.

Hurricane Wilma is still running with at least 33 starts. Cat Thief and Harlan had 30 each. And With Distinction is still toiling away with 28 starts to date. Adcat stands in Fla with 28 starts.

[horseofcourse]

Bernardini is an absolute monster, nothing taints anything he does. Bluegrass Cat may have injured himself after he crossed the finish line for all we know. Bluegrass Cat's Beyer was typical of all his Beyers this year and near what his Haskell was. He ran his race. And as many have said...he just ain't Bernardini.

[blackthroatedwind]

Bluegrass Cat is suddenly a " special horse "? I guess when you can say, with a straight face, that after seeing the Ragozin numbers that Flower Alley ran as well in the Whitney as he did in his previous effort, then you can pretty much say anything. However, Bluegrass Cat, while certainly being a nice horse, hardly fits the category of special horse. I guess he's the second best 3YO in a race as long as Dr. Pleasure is third best.

The BS parade just rambles on.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Bluegrass Cat is suddenly a " special horse "? I guess when you can say, with a straight face, that after seeing the Ragozin numbers that Flower Alley ran as well in the Whitney as he did in his previous effort, then you can pretty much say anything. However, Bluegrass Cat, while certainly being a nice horse, hardly fits the category of special horse. I guess he's the second best 3YO in a race as long as Dr. Pleasure is third best.

The BS parade just rambles on.

OH come on Blackthroat you have been around too long to pretend you don't know what thats about. Whenever a horse is off to stud career the trainer has to give an obligatory "he was great or he was special or he had talent" comment to the media.
You wanna laugh just pick up the Bloodhorse during breeding season and read the ads for the new sires and the quotes in there from trainers. Its always worth a huge laugh.

[blackthroatedwind]

Those ads are somewhere between a big chuckle and criminal.

I understand part of Todd's, or any trainer's, job is to tell tall tales. However, my BS meter is beginning to explode these days. I'm still trying to figure out how many more lengths Dubai Escapade could have won by.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Those ads are somewhere between a big chuckle and criminal.

I understand part of Todd's, or any trainer's, job is to tell tall tales. However, my BS meter is beginning to explode these days. I'm still trying to figure out how many more lengths Dubai Escapade could have won by.

LOL!!!!
Ah yes, the ole " the horse could have won by many more lengths" gang who havent figured out yet that the whip will maybe get you a length tops(my source on that one is a hall of fame jockey who I asked about that, but what would he know? He only won 7000 or so races you know?).
I dont always agree with you but I've had it as well with the bs lately.
I'm reading guys who want props because they said a few months ago that some extremely fast stakes winners would win more stakes. Now gee, there is an original thought, certainly mind blowing stuff.

Originally Posted by oracle80

LOL!!!!
Ah yes, the ole " the horse could have won by many more lengths" gang who havent figured out yet that the whip will maybe get you a length tops(my source on that one is a hall of fame jockey who I asked about that, but what would he know? He only won 7000 or so races you know?).
I dont always agree with you but I've had it as well with the bs lately.
I'm reading guys who want props because they said a few months ago that some extremely fast stakes winners would win more stakes. Now gee, there is an original thought, certainly mind blowing stuff.

The great Pat Day always told me that a whip is overused. You certainly can get a horse to dig in deeper by using the whip, or the whip can be used to get a sudden burst of speed to "put the others away." But the lengths the whip gives you is undetermined.

Originally Posted by oracle80

You wanna laugh just pick up the Bloodhorse during breeding season and read the ads for the new sires and the quotes in there from trainers. Its always worth a huge laugh.

Yeah, Mike ... I'm working on a few quotes for next year's ads ...

"This was the best little filly I ever put a tack on."

"I've seen his first yearlings ... and I've never seen a finer-looking group of young horses in my 45 years in the business."

"This grand-looking colt has more potential as a stallion than anything I've seen come to this stud in the last 20 years."

"She's already throwed a couple of good ones ... and this one is the best one yet."

Pretty good, eh? But I'll try to make them even better between now and the publication closing date.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Yeah, Mike ... I'm working on a few quotes for next year's ads ...

"This was the best little filly I ever put a tack on."

"I've seen his first yearlings ... and I've never seen a finer-looking group of young horses in my 45 years in the business."

"This grand-looking colt has more potential as a stallion than anything I've seen come to this stud in the last 20 years."

"She's already throwed a couple of good ones ... and this one is the best one yet."

Pretty good, eh? But I'll try to make them even better between now and the publication closing date.

She's already "throwed?" LMFAO! I'm a huge Nascar fan, but I must say Bold, the majority of Nascar fans don't even talk that way. I hope you were kidding.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

She's already "throwed?" LMFAO! I'm a huge Nascar fan, but I must say Bold, the majority of Nascar fans don't even talk that way. I hope you were kidding.

Well .. you should go the yearling sales and listen to some of these good ol' Kentucky boys ...

... they really say things like that ... especially when they're laying it on thick for the gullible, nouveau riche, city slickers.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Well .. you should go the yearling sales and listen to some of these good ol' Kentucky boys ...

... they really say things like that ... especially when they're laying it on thick for the gullible, nouveau riche, city slickers.

We're going to try and make one of the yearling sales next year. I'll have to listen to them... that is hilarious. My ex was a huge redneck (I'm partial to rednecks actually), but I would have given him shiat over that "throwed" comment. LOL