Weekend Stakes Beyers

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20101002&RN=8

Temple City - a Dynaformer horse trained by Carla Gains who beat Richard's Kid at Del Mar - and was beaten just 3 lengths in the Pacific Classic last time out ... he was offically beaten more than 90+ lengths in that race.

Yeah, I'd say he didn't care much for the dirt ... or the hot pace.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

That's cool. I like Affirmed and a whole lot of others on the list of "all time greats" on the list you supplied. I'm just saying there is no need to omit her from the list because you don't think she is the best of all time. I don't think she is the best of all time either. See we can agree on something.

Unfortunately for everyone....a great deal of where she "deserves" to be ranked on a list of say, the top-50 thoroughbreds of all time, has been left up to one race because of her foolish connections. If she wins the BCC in style it would be difficult to justify completely keeping her off such a list no matter how much some (including me) might want to do it.
If she runs poorly and finishes off the board, however, it should be pretty easy for everyone to keep her off such a list, although I'm certain many still won't.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

When we were all annointing RA queen last year, who was she beating? Nothing other than the horses that she lined up to race against, which looking back includes a pretty weak group of animals. Where do Macho Again and Summer Bird rank on your list of "horses I would never want to face"?

Yes, she should win these races she is competing in. Was she supposed to win the Classic last year? It's a good thing Haynesfield isn't running in the Classic this year because she'd never catch him. Haynesfield who just embarrassed our hero Blame, who beat our hero Quality Road. She is the best of what we've got right now. And if it's a watered down group, so be it.

Haynesville wouldn't be running alone in the classic. There will be other front runners pressing. In my opinion Haynesville running in the classic helps both Zenyatta and Blame.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Redding Colliery went way too fast early and somehow held in a race that absolutley collaped in behind him. 2nd and 3rd place were 17.5 lengths and 19.5 lengths back after just 6 furlongs.

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20101002&RN=8

RC seems to have run a fucl<ing awesome race... but I have no pace pars or anything from Hawthorne to confirm that water is wet.

And the other dirt-route race, an 8.5f claimer featured a :49 half mile, where the horse in last place (a 25/1 longshot) still closed and won, with the pace-setter fading to 4th.

[hockey2315]

Redding Colliery got a 105 Beyer
Pace Line: 89+14 95+11 96+5 94 Final

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Redding Colliery got a 105 Beyer
Pace Line: 89+14 95+11 96+5 94 Final

Is that a Moss Pace Figure pace line?

If so, the +14 would be to the half, +11 to three-quarters, +5 to a mile?

[hockey2315]

Ya it's Moss. . . You're right about the distances.

[hockey2315]

The 2-3 finishers got new tops for the race, but just glancing at the results makes me think the track was extremely anti-speed, which goes against the track's reputation.

I actually told someone before the Iselin that this horse could win the Classic, and was promptly laughed at when he ran second as the chalk.

I wonder what race he'll go in. Obviously he'd be very dangerous in the mile. I'd be interested in him in the classic if there weren't already two speed horses.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Ya it's Moss. . . You're right about the distances.

So - using what the Moss pace figures have - and what the Beyer was - if I had the pace and final the same way they did - my numbers for Redding Collery would look like this:

143-105 for a 4f-final.

135-105 for a 6f-final

119-105 for a 1m-final


Jesus man.

[hockey2315]

Elaborate please.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

The 2-3 finishers got new tops for the race,

Yeah, any time deep closers get a pace that fast in front of them - that's typically when they are able to run lifetime top Beyers.

Here are what the running lines will look like for the horses in that race:

RC: 1st by 2, 1st by 4, 1st by 8.5, 1st by 0.75 lengths

Giant Oak: 7th by 17, 7th by 19, 5th by 14, 2nd by 0.75 lengths

A. U. Miner: 6th by 15, 6th by 17, 3rd by 11, 3rd by 1 length

Going Ballistic: 8th by 19, 8th by 20, 6th by 18, 4th by 16.5 lengths

Racing Bran: 4th by 8, 4th by 13, 7th by 21, 5th by 27.75 lengths

Shadowbdancing: 3rd by 4, 3rd by 6, 2nd by 8.5, 6th by 52.5 lengths

Arcodoro: 2nd by 2, 2nd by 4, 4th by 13, 7th by 71.5 lengths

Temple City: 5th by 9, 5th by 16, 8th by 31, 8th by 90.25 lengths


The horse who was 2nd after a half mile was beaten 71.5 lengths

The horse who was 3rd after a half mile was beaten 52.5 lengths

The horse who was 4th after a half mile was beaten 27.75 lengths

The horse who was 5th after a half mile was beaten 90.25 lengths


They got fuclKed the fucl< up by that pace RC set. Amazing he held on to win the race after that. The two deep closers who weren't fractued by that pace were both in another county early.

Going Ballistic is a millionaire - who's probably most famous for upsetting Grasshopper in the Super Derby one race after Grasshopper gave Street Sense a dogfight in the Travers .. friggen Going Ballistic never got within 16.5 lengths of Redding Collirey at any point in the entire race .. and yet he still managed to finish in the top half of the field.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Yes, she should win these races she is competing in. Was she supposed to win the Classic last year? It's a good thing Haynesfield isn't running in the Classic this year because she'd never catch him. Haynesfield who just embarrassed our hero Blame, who beat our hero Quality Road. She is the best of what we've got right now. And if it's a watered down group, so be it.

Did they say he wasn't running in the Classic on ATR or something? Monday's show isn't up in the archives yet, but this piece in DRF sounds like the BCC is quite likely if he's doing well after the race. http://www.drf.com/news/haynesfield-...gold-cup-upset They don't seem excited about having to go back to a mile after doing the 1 1/4.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

This one should be good.

After the top three finisher - you could hit a golf ball between the margins of each horse from 4th place to 5th - 5th to 6th - 6th to 7th - and 7th to 8th.

Redding Colliery went way too fast early and somehow held in a race that absolutley collaped in behind him. 2nd and 3rd place were 17.5 lengths and 19.5 lengths back after just 6 furlongs.

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20101002&RN=8

RC seems to have run a fucl<ing awesome race... but I have no pace pars or anything from Hawthorne to confirm that water is wet.

Figs for the race are a crapshoot. The only other route is suspect at best, and they never run the 10f distance at Haw except for this race. The chances that 105 are legit after the pace he set are slim and none in my opinion.

Given the above, I have nothing to base this on but common sense. If I used the same variant as Beyer, his numbers for me would be pace of 148 (6f call) and final figure of 106. I am giving him a 142/100, and that comes out to a combined 111 the way I do things, basically matching his career best. It fits pretty well with Giant Oak and give the 3rd place horse a new top by a few points. Am I right? Hell if I know, but it is what I'm putting down on paper.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Figs for the race are a crapshoot. The only other route is suspect at best, and they never run the 10f distance at Haw except for this race. The chances that 105 are legit after the pace he set are slim and none in my opinion.

Given the above, I have nothing to base this on but common sense. If I used the same variant as Beyer, his numbers for me would be pace of 148 (6f call) and final figure of 106. I am giving him a 142/100, and that comes out to a combined 111 the way I do things, basically matching his career best. It fits pretty well with Giant Oak and give the 3rd place horse a new top by a few points. Am I right? Hell if I know, but it is what I'm putting down on paper.

Thanks.

What's your take on the Hollywood Park route Beyer's for Saturday's card? Do you also think they're about 5 points fast?

[somerfrost]

We always hear..."who did the horse beat?", the answer in Z's case...."everybody entered against her." A perfect record is a perfect record, Z deserves the praise she's getting and it's reflective of the cynical mindset of horse players that so many line up to diss her. I thought she deserved HOY last year but I understood RA's victory, this year....there is no question who is the best horse in training. All time great...time will tell, we should revisit that question after the BCC. In the meantime, I will relish her victories and pray for one more!

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Thanks.

What's your take on the Hollywood Park route Beyer's for Saturday's card? Do you also think they're about 5 points fast?

That is tougher for me because I don't use the artificial synthetic adjustment that Beyer has made for his rubber numbers. I think he has the variant about right, but that makes my figures 5 to 6 points lower already.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

In the meantime, I will relish her victories and pray for one more!

This reminds me of this prudey old woman that came into my computer store two weeks ago.

She wanted us to fix her laptop, which wasn't turning on. She kept trying to describe problems in a form of English we were unfamiliar with and after about five minutes, my business partner had the brilliant insight to ask her if she had kept the laptop on while in her laptop carrying case.

She said yes.

We then spent the next ten minutes in a three way conversation that went something like this.

Us - " What happened was that by keeping it on while closed up in the case, it ended up gettting too hot in there and the computer cooked itself to death".

Prudey woman - "Ohhhhhhhhhh. Buttt, but, it was working before that"

Us - "Ugh. Yeah, it was working before that because that was before you had killed your laptop. Once you cooked it, the solder melts on the motherboard and your computer can no longer power on."

Prudey woman - "Ah. Well, blah blah blah. Blah blah blah. Blah blah blah. Hey, wait a second, how come it was working before I did that?"

Us - "Have you ever heard of cause and effect? What this means is that when you perform an action that has a consequence, that consequence only effects things in the future. It is not retroactive, meaning it doesn't change our past."

Prudey woman - "That reminds me of this time blah blah blah. More blah blah. But why won't the computer work now??"

Us - "Because it's dead and you murdered it. We can try to fix it by baking the entire motherboard, but that is almost certainly not going to work in your case because you've probably fried the CPU."

We had to explain the before and after thing to her five to six times.

Finally, when she gave up, we had one last exchange.

Prudey woman - "Well, thank you very much, you've been very kind. I'm going to take my laptop and say a prayer for it"

Me - "Well, good luck with that one and let me know how that turns out for you."

Prudey woman - "Ok. You never know about how these things will turn out!"

Me - "Yep. If it does work for you, let me know and you'll have yourself a job here!"

I really needed a hug at that point.

Come to think of it, that Prudey woman kinda reminds me of Prudery.

Woah.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

This reminds me of this prudey old woman that came into my computer store two weeks ago.

She wanted us to fix her laptop, which wasn't turning on. She kept trying to describe problems in a form of English we were unfamiliar with and after about five minutes, my business partner had the brilliant insight to ask her if she had kept the laptop on while in her laptop carrying case.

She said yes.

We then spent the next ten minutes in a three way conversation that went something like this.

Us - " What happened was that by keeping it on while closed up in the case, it ended up gettting too hot in there and the computer cooked itself to death".

Prudey woman - "Ohhhhhhhhhh. Buttt, but, it was working before that"

Us - "Ugh. Yeah, it was working before that because that was before you had killed your laptop. Once you cooked it, the solder melts on the motherboard and your computer can no longer power on."

Prudey woman - "Ah. Well, blah blah blah. Blah blah blah. Blah blah blah. Hey, wait a second, how come it was working before I did that?"

Us - "Have you ever heard of cause and effect? What this means is that when you perform an action that has a consequence, that consequence only effects things in the future. It is not retroactive, meaning it doesn't change our past."

Prudey woman - "That reminds me of this time blah blah blah. More blah blah. But why won't the computer work now??"

Us - "Because it's dead and you murdered it. We can try to fix it by baking the entire motherboard, but that is almost certainly not going to work in your case because you've probably fried the CPU."

We had to explain the before and after thing to her five to six times.

Finally, when she gave up, we had one last exchange.

Prudey woman - "Well, thank you very much, you've been very kind. I'm going to take my laptop and say a prayer for it"

Me - "Well, good luck with that one and let me know how that turns out for you."

Prudey woman - "Ok. You never know about how these things will turn out!"

Me - "Yep. If it does work for you, let me know and you'll have yourself a job here!"

I really needed a hug at that point.

Come to think of it, that Prudey woman kinda reminds me of Prudery.

Woah.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I'm not making that story up. It really happened. While I did paraphrase a bit, we really did get condescending to her.

I swear, the only thing she needed was a Zenyatta T-shirt.

[Smooth Operator]

LOL … looks like somebody got under Indian Charlene's skin today.