Crist: Zenyatta needs to earn title on track

[Danzig]

if zenyatta deserves hoy should she win the classic, does that mean super saver deserves top three year old? he did win the derby, the biggest race for 3 yo colts...so i guess it's not even up for discussion.
it seems just a few years back, there was a lot of criticism of azeri getting hoy for her campaign-but zenyatta supposedly deserves to win this year regardless of what she does next saturday?!

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Those people are morons. She didn't deserve either HOY.

Too late. This is already happening.

Once again, this has long been happening. They're very difficult to 'set straight'.

This is true, but it says far more about the yawnworthy campaigns she's run than it does about her accomplishment.

I don't believe she deserved HOY over Curlin and Rachel, but there's been a lot of knock down drag outs over those two issues. I'm still convinced that Jerry Moss was told in advance that she didn't win HOY last year and abruptly announced "she's out of retirement". I can't stand that man but like the rest of Z's connections.

Yup, it's been happening, but it's going to get worse - much worse if she wins the Classic. And, there will be the usual mean-spirited "Rachel who?" mentioned time and time again in the celebration of the zealots.

They shouldn't have been so candy ass about her campaigns the last three years. They never gave Z the chance to really prove what she could do up until now. I applaud their decision to take her to CD.

So much harm and bad feelings because of set-up camps for and against these two fabulous females. It's worse than the Hatfields and the McCoys. What a shame!

I still love the RAITCH but I wish the best for ZENNY - safe journeys to, during, and back home again.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Most of the people who are fanatics of Camp Z don't really know **** about racing in the first place.For instance:http://www.horseracing.com/blog/20-and-done-means-no-1
Dude was definitely hitting the crack pipe a little too much!!

Absolutely correct. Unlike those in the RA and QR camps, of course, who do know s h it when it comes to racing.

F L U S H (as in the toilet -- and, as in their seasons)

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if zenyatta deserves hoy should she win the classic, does that mean super saver deserves top three year old? he did win the derby, the biggest race for 3 yo colts...so i guess it's not even up for discussion.
it seems just a few years back, there was a lot of criticism of azeri getting hoy for her campaign-but zenyatta supposedly deserves to win this year regardless of what she does next saturday?!

NO YOU STUPID BECUZ SUPER SAVER LOST!!!!!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

I don't believe she deserved HOY over Curlin and Rachel, but there's been a lot of knock down drag outs over those two issues. I'm still convinced that Jerry Moss was told in advance that she didn't win HOY last year and abruptly announced "she's out of retirement". I can't stand that man but like the rest of Z's connections.

Yup, it's been happening, but it's going to get worse - much worse if she wins the Classic. And, there will be the usual mean-spirited "Rachel who?" mentioned time and time again in the celebration of the zealots.

They shouldn't have been so candy ass about her campaigns the last three years. They never gave Z the chance to really prove what she could do up until now. I applaud their decision to take her to CD.

So much harm and bad feelings because of set-up camps for and against these two fabulous females. It's worse than the Hatfields and the McCoys. What a shame!

I still love the RAITCH but I wish the best for ZENNY - safe journeys to, during, and back home again.

We essentially agree, although I think you're wrong that it's still Rachel fans vs. Zenyatta fans. With Rachel's ho-hum performance this year and her being retired, it's much more become Zenyatta fans vs. reality.

[SilentScreen]

Originally Posted by Kasept

http://www.drf.com/news/zenyatta-must-earn-title-track

If, however, Zenyatta loses the Classic to Blame, Lookin At Lucky, or Quality Road, she does not deserve to be the Horse of the Year for 2010. She may well be the Horse of the Last Three Years or Distaffer of the Decade, and she might be the only horse in the field who ultimately is elected to racing’s Hall of Fame, but she would not be the most accomplished racehorse of 2010.

When did "Horse of the Year" become synonymous with "most accomplished racehorse"? I always thought it meant "best racehorse".

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by SilentScreen

When did "Horse of the Year" become synonymous with "most accomplished racehorse"? I always thought it meant "best racehorse".

You prove you're the best through accomplishment. If Z loses next week, she's not the best.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

We essentially agree, although I think you're wrong that it's still Rachel fans vs. Zenyatta fans. With Rachel's ho-hum performance this year and her being retired, it's much more become Zenyatta fans vs. reality.

i can't understand why rachel still gets brought up at all. she had a good year, but she's certainly not done anything this year to warrant any attention. and i fail to understand the point behind zenyatta fans bringing rachel up when zenyatta gets mentioned. if she didn't deserve hoy in their minds, why do they still use rachel as a measuring stick?

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

We essentially agree, although I think you're wrong that it's still Rachel fans vs. Zenyatta fans. With Rachel's ho-hum performance this year and her being retired, it's much more become Zenyatta fans vs. reality.

I agree with what you're saying, but there's still a great deal of animosity toward Rachel for depriving Zenyatta of HOY last year. Rachel shouldn't be in the equation, but she still is. It's strange that there is this rivalry between two horses that never met on the track.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by SilentScreen

When did "Horse of the Year" become synonymous with "most accomplished racehorse"? I always thought it meant "best racehorse".

Why would you think that? Was Favorite Trick the best racehorse of 1997? Charasmatic the best horse of 1999?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Why would you think that? Was Favorite Trick the best racehorse of 1997? Charasmatic the best horse of 1999?

It was just another reach.

[Merlinsky]

An ad just came on during Letterman for the 60 Minutes piece on Zenyatta, and they say "Is she the greatest filly of all time? You bet she is!"

I gagged. She's the dancing queen, but c'mon. There's more to do here. This before she even runs in the Classic at Churchill. If she loses, it takes the thunder out of their proclamation, so I understand why CBS's doing things this way. Still waiting on that 60 Minutes special on Gallorette. Doesn't mean Zenyatta's not a Hall of Famer. It's just ridiculous hyperbole right now, aimed at scoring viewers.

[goingtothewhip]

"Zenyatta deserved to share last year’s award with Rachel Alexandra, but voters were deprived of that option. "

http://www.drf.com/news/zenyatta-must-earn-title-track

Does everyone agree with this part too?


I agree with everything Crist says for the record.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by goingtothewhip

"Zenyatta deserved to share last year’s award with Rachel Alexandra, but voters were deprived of that option. "

http://www.drf.com/news/zenyatta-must-earn-title-track

Does everyone agree with this part too?

I'm just dreading the Hall of Fame drama that's gonna go down unless they change the rules. Both will be up for it at the same time, both deserve to be in, and yet voters might have to pick between them. Only one female horse at a time right now, isn't it?

[Princess Doreen]

When I said she deserved all accolades, I left out the word plausible.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6999875.shtml

"If she pulls this off, in my book - of course, I'm a little bit one-sided - but I think…she could be the greatest horse of all time," Smith says. That kind of career would put her up there with the most famous Triple Crown Winner, Secretariat, considered one of the greatest ever. But Smith thinks his mount could be even better than Secretariat after a Breeder's Cup win.

Bob Simon reports on Zenyatta's quest for horse-racing history on "60 Minutes" this Sunday, Oct. 31, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by SilentScreen

When did "Horse of the Year" become synonymous with "most accomplished racehorse"? I always thought it meant "best racehorse".

It's really difficult to say they are different in most cases. How do you claim to be the best racehorse without accomplishment? And it's Horse of the Year, not of the day, month, or multi-year period.
The Breeders Cup often serves as confirmation for the US champion or as a tie-breaker between evenly matched contenders, but it shouldn't replace accomplishments of an entire campaign. That's why you don't see great ones like Ouija Board winning the award when they stop in for a day, and why Goldlikova isn't a contender this year.

Again, all this is common sense which continues to escape a certain group.

[pucknut]

so will it be called the 60 minutes jinx?
sports illustrated better run a cover for her need to counteract that superstition
there could be some bad ass mojo going around
and it is running on halloween night
dirt,hype,travel,the boys Z is getting the worst of it
love the cup glad its getting hype hope owners invest more in this dying sport ot we'll be dogging each other out about which horse is going to win he merry go round at the state fair

[Princess Doreen]

Bill Finley on the subject of Zenyatta needing to win the Classic for HOY

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ill&id=5739463

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Last I saw Cat Thief wasnt named HOY for winning the Classic.

I think people are actually getting scared that she will win. And are looking to build a HOY case against her.

Play along then. Lets say she does win Classic. If you dont think her who should be HOY? This should be good

Nobody is building a case against her if she wins. They are clearly pointing out that she dosen't belong in the discussion with Secretariat and others, but nobody can deny she's a Hall of Famer and will win HOY with a win next week. That said, to this point others have done more this year by winning more competitive races. It's Sheriffs and Smith (and a bunch of casual fans) who are making the case otherwise. They think they should have it sewn up when they haven't done as much to this point.

So the final work is coming up. Announcement they're ducking tomorrow afternoon?