Why retire her? - Page 2

CSC · #21 11-07-2010, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964

x2 I said this also.When Go Go Gomez saw her coming he moved Blame out (slowed him a little) so Blame could see her coming. Once Blame got n eye full of her he rebroke. Z didn't pass him in the cool out either. They both were in full stride at least 50 yds after the wire with Blame still ahead. The only way she wins this race is Blame gets a worse trip IMO.

Not according to this post interview at 1:00 when the reporter said she infact passed Blame just past the wire, he sounded pretty matter of fact. The camera coverage will not show it, and I guess we will never know for sure as the camera stays on the wire for awhile and then picks up with the run out well past the wire.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...2-D7871AACD9AB

ateamstupid · #22 11-07-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by justindew

I think Blame is 2010's version of St. Liam, Mineshaft (yes, I realize he didn't run in the Classic), and Pleasantly Perfect.

I truly have absolutely no idea what could make you think he's as good as these horses. They're in another stratosphere from him.

MaTH716 · #23 11-07-2010, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Are you serious? I'm a big Blame fan, but he would get drowned in most years too. It was a horrendous year for the handicap division.

You know it seems like lately, every year stinks. Whether it's the 3 year old crop, handicap division and so on. What makes you think that there will ever be another (what some percieve as) "STRONG" division/class ever again? Between injuries, less foals every year, early retirements and the so called weakening of the breed this is what we are going to be looking at for a long long time.

ateamstupid · #24 11-07-2010, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

You know it seems like lately, every year stinks. Whether it's the 3 year old crop, handicap division and so on. What makes you think that there will ever be another (what some percieve as) "STRONG" division/class ever again? Between injuries, less foals every year, early retirements and the so called weakening of the breed this is what we are going to be looking at for a long long time.

This is probably somewhat true with the older horses. The three-year-olds will still have strong years though. Last year's crop was terrific, as was the '07 bunch.

justindew · #25 11-07-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

This is probably somewhat true with the older horses. The three-year-olds will still have strong years though. Last year's crop was terrific, as was the '07 bunch.

More and more, it's becoming clear that if you want to have a horse who competes at the *highest levels of the sport, you can't point him/her toward the Triple Crown.

*anything not part of the TC

justindew · #26 11-07-2010, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by justindew

More and more, it's becoming clear that if you want to have a horse who competes at the *highest levels of the sport, you can't point him/her toward the Triple Crown.

*anything not part of the TC

I have a feeling this poorly-worded post is about to get pounced on.

ateamstupid · #27 11-07-2010, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by justindew

More and more, it's becoming clear that if you want to have a horse who competes at the *highest levels of the sport, you can't point him/her toward the Triple Crown.

*anything not part of the TC

Yeah, the HOYs the last three years didn't go near the TC. And yesterday's 3-4-5 finishers were in the barn in May and June too.

robfla · #28 11-07-2010, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Not according to this post interview at 1:00 when the reporter said she infact passed Blame just past the wire, he sounded pretty matter of fact. The camera coverage will not show it, and I guess we will never know for sure as the camera stays on the wire for awhile and then picks up with the run out well past the wire.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...2-D7871AACD9AB

That reporter is an idiot.

The replay using the blimp view ( right before the winner's circle interview ) clearly shows the entire gallop-out and she never once got in front of Blame.

Danzig · #29 11-07-2010, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Are you serious? I'm a big Blame fan, but he would get drowned in most years too. It was a horrendous year for the handicap division.

i agree, the last few years have been sorry.
i would love to see them bring her back if they'd actually challenge her. same old same old would be a disgrace, and more annoying then enthralling.

justindew · #30 11-07-2010, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yeah, the HOYs the last three years didn't go near the TC. And yesterday's 3-4-5 finishers were in the barn in May and June too.

Oh come on. The run-up to the TC and the TC itself ruins horses. You know it. God knows how many horses like Blame and Zenyatta we have been deprived of becasue they were rushed to get graded earning for the Derby and were never the same. What's the winning percentage of Derby winners in their post-Derby races? It's gotta be lower than low.

CSC · #31 11-07-2010, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by robfla

That reporter is an idiot.

The replay using the blimp view ( right before the winner's circle interview ) clearly shows the entire gallop-out and she never once got in front of Blame.

I didn't see the blimp view so I cannot comment on this, I do know if I were a reporter I wouldn't go up to a world wide press conference and make up something fictitious, I simply don't know and I am just qouting a reporter at face value given that the TVG coverage rightfully focused on the wire to view the entire finish of the field before panning out to the run out pass the wire.

dalakhani · #32 11-07-2010, 09:39 AM

I think that they should bring her back. Absolutely.

I was there yesterday. The electricity was like very few classics that I have seen. It was worth the wait.

How can any racing fan want to see her retired? She is sound, she looks like she loves what she does and she is still pretty darn good.

ateamstupid · #33 11-07-2010, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by justindew

Oh come on. The run-up to the TC and the TC itself ruins horses. You know it. God knows how many horses like Blame and Zenyatta we have been deprived of becasue they were rushed to get graded earning for the Derby and were never the same. What's the winning percentage of Derby winners in their post-Derby races? It's gotta be lower than low.

This is complete, unfounded nonsense. Do you ever post something that isn't pulled out of your ass?

Danzig · #34 11-07-2010, 09:40 AM

i'd love to see her try dubai.

dalakhani · #35 11-07-2010, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i agree, the last few years have been sorry.
i would love to see them bring her back if they'd actually challenge her. same old same old would be a disgrace, and more annoying then enthralling.

Be honest...you didn't watch her every time she ran this year or at least most of the time? Whether she is challenged or not (and i am totally with you that i hope they challenge her especially on dirt), isn't it still somewhat of a spectacle every time she runs?

What other horse in the last 20 years has drawn the crowds that she does in non-classic or BC events? The longer she runs, the better it could be for racing.

ManilaRose · #36 11-07-2010, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I didn't see the blimp view so I cannot comment on this, I do know if I were a reporter I wouldn't go up to a world wide press conference and make up something fictitious, I simply don't know and I am just qouting a reporter at face value given that the TVG coverage rightfully focused on the wire to view the entire finish of the field before panning out to the run out pass the wire.

The reporter is wrong. Blame never let her by after the wire. Not for a second. These "one more stride and she wins" arguments are bs.

dalakhani · #37 11-07-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ManilaRose

The reporter is wrong. Blame never let her by after the wire. Not for a second. These "one more stride and she wins" arguments are bs.

I agree. She had a chance to pass Blame and could not get by. Blame was a better horse on that track on that day and is a deserving winner and HOY. Gomez rode a flawless race and proved once again that there is no one better in the lane.

herkhorse · #38 11-07-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ManilaRose

The reporter is wrong. Blame never let her by after the wire. Not for a second. These "one more stride and she wins" arguments are bs.

I can't believe a reporter would be wrong. lol

justindew · #39 11-07-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

This is complete, unfounded nonsense. Do you ever post something that isn't pulled out of your ass?

The Triple Crown should be called the Bermuda Triangle. Not every plane or boat that enters disappears, but there's something going on.

Hey, I love it. Love the Derby. Love it all.

dalakhani · #40 11-07-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by justindew

The Triple Crown should be called the Bermuda Triangle. Not every plane or boat that enters disappears, but there's something going on.

Hey, I love it. Love the Derby. Love it all.

How about there might be other factors besides the rigors of the preps and racing those races in 5 weeks?

Chuck brought up a great point in another thread. How many potentially great horses are in the Todd Pletcher barn? He didn't single out Pletcher, but the point is that too many horses are being handled by the same few guys. How many of those horses might have been better off if managed by different guys with different skill sets, programs, etc?

This really has nothing to do with the topic though so sorry for going off course.