Uncle Mo faster than BC Classic field on Ragozin

[Duvalier]

Wow IC do you realize you're starting to sound just like them

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Wow IC do you realize you're starting to sound just like them

What's so hard to imagine about Uncle Mo not running last in the BCC when the last place horse basically was distanced??

It's not like I'm saying Mo would have won the BCC for fun, in a canter!

All I'm saying is that it's ridiculous to think that with as great as he ran, he basically couldn't get an extra furlong and a half in 26 seconds! I know there's more to it than that, but to me, it's nearly impossible that he would have run last.

[Duvalier]

Sorry Charlie...the fact is if Indian Charlie wasn't Uncle Mo's sire you wouldn't even be making some of the ridiculous claims you've been making lately. You're trying to say Uncle Mo a 2yo who never ran a route of ground and is still growing and developing would've been pretty much right there if he had run in the BC Classic...you're smarter than that.

[alysheba4]

i hope this horse stays healthy, and if he improves as a 3 yr. old it will be scary.

[cakes44]

I can't even imagine Uncle Mo beating QR at 1 1/16, much less 1 1/4. Uncle Mo is a very good, borderline great 2-year-old, but we are talking about different animals here.

[randallscott35]

So I go away for the weekend, and the dumb argument dujour is would a 2yr old have won the classic? Is this to support Doug's argument that Mo should be HOY?---OCD on Moss, Unlce Mo, the Pats etc...As if there is nothing else.

[The Bid]

Why wouldn't he have won the classic? The ragsheet said hes fast enough

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Sorry Charlie...the fact is if Indian Charlie wasn't Uncle Mo's sire you wouldn't even be making some of the ridiculous claims you've been making lately. You're trying to say Uncle Mo a 2yo who never ran a route of ground and is still growing and developing would've been pretty much right there if he had run in the BC Classic...you're smarter than that.

That he is a son of Indian Charlie, yes, affects my being a bigger fan of this horse.

It in no way clouds my judgment of his abilities.

And NO! I am not saying he would have been right there at the finish. I am simply saying that he would not have finished last! How is beating a horse that lost by 30 lengths the same thing as being 'right there' at the finish???

What is so difficult to believe about that? The closest thing to crazy that I've said is that he would have been closer to the winner than to the loser, at the end of the race. And that, that's not really that far fetched.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I can't even imagine Uncle Mo beating QR at 1 1/16, much less 1 1/4. Uncle Mo is a very good, borderline great 2-year-old, but we are talking about different animals here.

Dude, QR ran dead last by 30 lengths last week. Clearly he's not the same horse he was in the beginning of the year.

I never suggested that Mo would have beaten QR if QR had run in the Juvy either.

Again, QR ran dead last by 30 lengths. Something is obviously amiss with him.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

So I go away for the weekend, and the dumb argument dujour is would a 2yr old have won the classic? Is this to support Doug's argument that Mo should be HOY?---OCD on Moss, Unlce Mo, the Pats etc...As if there is nothing else.

Have people lost the ability to read? Where did I, or anyone, say that Mo would have won the Classic??

The only thing DrugS said is that he got a faster rag number, which to me, is meaningless. I already knew going in that Mo was a great 2yo and the Classic field was pretty suspect.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Have people lost the ability to read? Where did I, or anyone, say that Mo would have won the Classic??

The only thing DrugS said is that he got a faster rag number, which to me, is meaningless. I already knew going in that Mo was a great 2yo and the Classic field was pretty suspect.

I wasn't talking to you.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

So I go away for the weekend, and the dumb argument dujour is would a 2yr old have won the classic? Is this to support Doug's argument that Mo should be HOY?---OCD on Moss, Unlce Mo, the Pats etc...As if there is nothing else.

This whole thread is silly, Arazi, who was far more impressive than Mo was in the Juvie, would he have won the classic that year also? BTW Arazi finished an electrifying 8th in the derby. That sort of throws cold water over this entire premise...

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That he is a son of Indian Charlie, yes, affects my being a bigger fan of this horse.

It in no way clouds my judgment of his abilities.

And NO! I am not saying he would have been right there at the finish. I am simply saying that he would not have finished last!

What is so difficult to believe about that? The closest thing to crazy that I've said is that he would have been closer to the winner than to the loser, at the end of the race. And that, that's not really that far fetched.

But yet you say Zenyatta would've finished third in the juvenile? That he is a son of Indian Charlie affects your rationale...a 2yo running in the Classic...you're sounding just like the fans you rail against

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by CSC

This whole thread is silly, Arazi, who was far more impressive than Mo was in the Juvie, would he have won the classic that year also? BTW Arazi finished an electrifying 8th in the derby. That sort of throws cold water over this entire premise...

Arazi was handled incompetently, which you already know. He had no shot in the Derby with the way he was brought into the race.

The move he made in the BCJ was more electrifying and was more visually impressive than what Mo did, but it's ridiculous to say he was far more impressive.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

But yet you say Zenyatta would've finished third in the juvenile? That he is a son of Indian Charlie affects your rationale...a 2yo running in the Classic...you're sounding just like the fans you rail against

I was being sarcastic in that post, sorry. I realize that sometimes that does not come through clearly in a post on the Internet.

She probably would have finished second

And obviously no 2yo is going to run in the BCC. The point I was trying to make there was in response to the Bidiots post about him being in a photo for last place with a distanced QR.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by CSC

This whole thread is silly, Arazi, who was far more impressive than Mo was in the Juvie, would he have won the classic that year also? BTW Arazi finished an electrifying 8th in the derby. That sort of throws cold water over this entire premise...

Bringing-up Arazi is risky. Arazi ran pretty big in the Derby considering how he was brought into the race.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Arazi was handled incompetently, which you already know. He had no shot in the Derby with the way he was brought into the race.

The move he made in the BCJ was more electrifying and was more visually impressive than what Mo did, but it's ridiculous to say he was far more impressive.

Arazi probably didn't want to go 1 1/4 more than any factor, all of his best races were at or near 1 mile. That's just one problem with this argument, how far does Uncle Mo want to go? Not to mention the subtle differences in pace pressures with more mature and seasoned horses.

Arazi's juvie will probably never be matched, consider he ran by Bertrando on his wrong lead like he was standing tied to a pole, that is something no sheets or beyers can illustrate, it was purely freakish in nature.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Bringing-up Arazi is risky. Arazi ran pretty big in the Derby considering how he was brought into the race.

If the Derby was at a mile, you would have a point. How about Johannesburg, one prep, well you can win the derby on 2 preps now. He simply didn't project into a 3 year old, nor was he a 1 1/4 horse. Give them 2 preps and I would still have my doubts.

[HaloWishingwell]

If I remember correctly Arazi also came off not only one prep but had some surgery as well after his Juvenile win.

[Indian Charlie]

Arazi's 'prep' was no more than a mere public workout. It was a gallop against the equivalent of 50k claimers.