AP Source: Obama to seek changes in Pell Grants

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

we should never have gone into iraq. never, ever, ever in a million years. we'd be thru in afganistan by now had we not taken men and money away from afganistan. then again, i don't know that we should have gone into that pissant country either. look at every other country that has invaded afganistan and where it got them. no-freaking-where. think back to gulf '91 and the aftermath. we had never stood higher in many peoples' estimation. now, fast forward over the years....we got attack on 9-11-look at the worlds reaction. for the most part, shock, horror and a lot of support. what did we do? think about all that. what should we have done? not what ended up happening, that's for damn sure. universal good will evaporated with our push to invade iraq. iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. nothing.

a war should be justified, your cause should be right, and you have to be able to win the thing. can we win in afganistan? i don't know that we can.
like sherman said, "War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over." but we want to fight a ''civilized' war, which is why that joker is dragging on and on...and on.


bush was a fool. his push to war in iraq was the cruellest act of his presidency. i wish like hell we could go back to those dark days and redo all that. what a mess he's gotten us into. the deficit is what it is due to those two misbegotten wars. and for what? where has it gotten us? what has been gained? nothing. there were other ways to attack terrorism. what a bill of goods we were sold.


three things are needed to fight a war.
money, money, and yet more money.

Bush should of been impeached if you ask me.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Americans have a sense of entitlement. Being a plumber is beneath most of them. They won't bother with a trade school.

The 18-25 year old Americans are the biggest sissies in American history. Most of them never truly suffered defeat or faced adversity in school/athletics because the liberal pantywaists wouldn't allow them to fail.

we heard yesterday about the teacher in cali who was suspended because of remarks she made on facebook. one of her students was interviewed, and made a remark about her not showing the class enough respect. what?!?! these are kids, they expect the teacher to respect them? holy crap, where are we going as a country?? parents, for gods sake, quit telling your kids how special they are. support your teachers, or you'll be supporting your kids for life!

and that's funny, they don't want to be plumbers. plumbers make damn good money.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

But, but, but ... you have to live in Alabama?

I think a number of folks remain unemployed because they can't sell their house quickly and and move to a new state.

home ownership has become a huge issue, with people unable to move to a job because they can't sell their house. honestly, i don't think it's employment that's the issue, it's geography.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Maybe if the illegals didnt get thier freebies there would less of a deficit.

yeah, you really need to let that go. that's a red herring you've latched onto for sure, and is not one of the big problems this country is facing.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, you really need to let that go. that's a red herring you've latched onto for sure, and is not one of the big problems this country is facing.

Its not one of the problems this country faces? Why dont we just open the borders up and let everyone come here then. Including all the terrorists who hate this country.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

You might be right right. Consider this also some folks stay unemployed because they make more collecting unemployment.

Nobody really "makes more" collecting unemployment. The most you can make, even if you had a rather high salary, is about $300-350 a week. Before taxes. That's minimum wage. If you had a minimum wage job, you make far less. And you pay income taxes on unemployment.

Nobody chooses bare survival over a better paying job. Would someone choose to net $300 a week, if they were a lawyer or an auto line worker, over working at McDonalds for $250 a week? I'm sure they might. And they are entitled, as long as they are using their time to actively looking for work as a lawyer or auto line worker (and yes, unemployment double checks that you have been looking for work)

* Kuwait: $100 million plus an additional $400 million in oil products
* Qatar: $100 million pledged
* Saudi Arabia: $5 million from Aramco, $250,000 from AGFUND
* Bahrain: $5 million pledged
* Oman: $15 million
* United Arab Emirates: $100 million pledged

* Saudi Arabia: $5 million from Aramco, $250,000 from AGFUND

So Egypt donated $0? He's regretting that now. All those years of playing squirrel with our nuts has caught up with him.

Kuwait, Qatar, UAE made the right offer. Very savvy on their part.

The Saudis. That's going to be the real turning point in the Middle East. If the House of Saud falls it could change everything for the better. Give the youth a voice and we'll see if they want a Benz with a trophy wife or a camel and a bee-keeper wife.

* Australia: $7.6 million

Never met an Australian I didn't like. Yahoo Serious, excluded.

* China: $5.1 million, 1,000 tents, 600 generators, bed sheets
* Taiwan: $2 million, supplies

We should side with Taiwan but will we?

Originally Posted by Danzig

we heard yesterday about the teacher in cali who was suspended because of remarks she made on facebook. one of her students was interviewed, and made a remark about her not showing the class enough respect. what?!?! these are kids, they expect the teacher to respect them? holy crap, where are we going as a country?? parents, for gods sake, quit telling your kids how special they are. support your teachers, or you'll be supporting your kids for life!

and that's funny, they don't want to be plumbers. plumbers make damn good money.

I'd say a good 30% of them just want to stay home and watch porn all day.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Bush should of been impeached if you ask me.

He can't travel:

Bush’s Shrinking World: George W. Bush Cancels Europe Trip as Human Rights Lawyers Threaten Legal Action over Torture

Former President George W. Bush has been forced to cancel a planned trip to Switzerland after human rights attorneys threatened to take legal action against him for sanctioning the use of torture. The Center for Constitutional Rights said they had planned to bring a complaint on behalf of two men who were tortured by U.S. interrogators and held at the military base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. "It was disappointing that we’re not able to actually prosecute him," says CCR legal director Bill Quigley. "But I think it has shown worldwide that even though he was the president of the United States, if you engage in torture... there are consequences."

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

He can't travel:

That news is a little old don't you think!!!!!!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

That news is a little old don't you think!!!!!!

It's from last week.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nobody really "makes more" collecting unemployment. The most you can make, even if you had a rather high salary, is about $300-350 a week. Before taxes. That's minimum wage. If you had a minimum wage job, you make far less. And you pay income taxes on unemployment.

Nobody chooses bare survival over a better paying job. Would someone choose to net $300 a week, if they were a lawyer or an auto line worker, over working at McDonalds for $250 a week? I'm sure they might. And they are entitled, as long as they are using their time to actively looking for work as a lawyer or auto line worker (and yes, unemployment double checks that you have been looking for work)

I guess you didnt read the post about someone collecting unemployment turning down a job at a car dealership.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

we heard yesterday about the teacher in cali who was suspended because of remarks she made on facebook. one of her students was interviewed, and made a remark about her not showing the class enough respect. what?!?! these are kids, they expect the teacher to respect them? holy crap, where are we going as a country?? parents, for gods sake, quit telling your kids how special they are. support your teachers, or you'll be supporting your kids for life!

and that's funny, they don't want to be plumbers. plumbers make damn good money.

Very well put.

[Nascar1966]

My purpose of starting this thread was to see everyone's view on it. Whether in agreement or disagreement.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I guess you didnt read the post about someone collecting unemployment turning down a job at a car dealership.

There's one. What are the other 8 million doing?

I've no doubt there is the rare abuse. The acts of one don't reflect the acts of millions**

(**unless you are a Muslim, I guess)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Its not one of the problems this country faces? Why dont we just open the borders up and let everyone come here then. Including all the terrorists who hate this country.

why don't we let them all in? saying you're overstating a problem doesn't mean i think we should 'let them all in'. you're being silly about that part. i'm saying you're overstating the issue, or listening to someone else who is overstating it. the state and fed budgets aren't busting because of undocumented workers. if they were the cause of money isses, the fed would have run them out of this country a while ago. do you really, truly think the govt would choose to lose money by ignoring a real problem? or is there a distinct reason to think they've done nothing because it's not worth doing something about?? i choose the latter. there are very pressing issues facing us-it's a gross oversimplification to blame it on 'illegals'. but they are such a convenient scapegoat. i'm sorry you've chosen to ignore all the evidence put on here lately to the contrary, and instead wish to continue parroting that line.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's from last week.

tee hee

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Some countries did offer aid. Did all the countries the US helps offer aid? I dont see Egypt or Haiti on the list.

Haiti is a very poor country. Egypt is a very poor country, except for their ousted President who is worth 70 billion.

More telling... where is Israel on that list?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

My purpose of starting this thread was to see everyone's view on it. Whether in agreement or disagreement.

Is that really why you started this thread?

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Riot

He can't travel:

I knew this was going to come up some time on here.

In what would have been his first European trip since leaving office, Bush was scheduled to speak in Geneva on Feb. 12 at a dinner in honor of the United Israel Appeal. A lawyer for the organization said that Bush's appearance was canceled because of the risk of violence, and that the threat of legal action was not an issue.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020503752.html