Deron Williams to Nets

Originally Posted by MaTH716

The PATH from 33rd st to Newark is probably closer to a 35 minute ride (and the more I think about it, it's probably a bit longer than that).

The Nets really needed to make the move when they were competitive and the Knicks were in the midst of the Thomas regime. They had a real opportunity to take some of the Knicks fan base who were so disgusted with what was going on during then. All of a sudden there would have been a good home team to root for. But unfortunately for the Nets that boat has sailed. The Knicks are a good story again and everyone is jumping back on the bandwagon. The Nets lost a big chance and now will always be the red headed step child compared to the Knicks.

Nah. The Russian will outsmart Dolan.

Knicks are going to be a disaster.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Nah. The Russian will outsmart Dolan.

Knicks are going to be a disaster.

Can't really argue that point, because it's 100% accurate.

But like I said there were alot Knicks fans (including myself, when I really follwed the NBA) were so sick and disgusted with Isiah/Dolan show, that at least me personally were rooting against them. They were such a hard team to like and you wanted to see Dolan get embarrassed and fire Isiah. And with every passing year of them staying and losing together, made you loathe and root against them even more. I really think that the Nets could have came in and made a big splash with that disgusted portion of the Knicks fan base. The fact that the Knicks are relavent again (before Carmello and being basically a .500 team) for the fans shows how desperate they have been over the last decade.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Newark isn't a fraction of the tourist/rich person destination that Brooklyn is, and you're completely wrong about the distance. If the arena is ever built, it's 10 minutes from the city, maximum. You're not getting from NYC to Newark in 10 minutes unless you take an airplane.

Absolutely untrue. To get to where the new arena will be is much more than 10 minutes. And after just spending a month in NYC driving everyday between Newark and midtown, it never took me more than 15 minutes unless the traffic was really bad in which case, you could take the PATH and be there in about a 1/2 hour or less. I don't understand why people act like being across the river makes that much of a difference. Everyone accepts that the Giants and Jets are New York teams and they both play over in Jersey. The Pats are Boston's team and look how far they are from Boston. The Angels are marketed as the Los Angeles Angels and they are way out in Anaheim. Look at where the New York Islanders play.

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Having watched Favors a few times recently it is hard to believe he will ever be more than a 14-8 type guy. He is like Joe Smith without the shooting range.

I am trying to figure this trade out, if Favors is a 14 and 8 guy, and Harris averages about 8 assist a game and Williams over 9, and they get 4 1st rounders. How is this for sure a winner for Nj

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Absolutely untrue. To get to where the new arena will be is much more than 10 minutes. And after just spending a month in NYC driving everyday between Newark and midtown, it never took me more than 15 minutes unless the traffic was really bad in which case, you could take the PATH and be there in about a 1/2 hour or less. I don't understand why people act like being across the river makes that much of a difference. Everyone accepts that the Giants and Jets are New York teams and they both play over in Jersey. The Pats are Boston's team and look how far they are from Boston. The Angels are marketed as the Los Angeles Angels and they are way out in Anaheim. Look at where the New York Islanders play.

Don't know when you commute, but in the morning during rush hour it takes just 15 minutes to get on the Newark Bay Extention.
Also I think comparing basketball (where the majority of games are played at night) versus football (it's a whole day event) is like apples and oranges. While the Rock in Newark is an absolutely beautiful arena, most of the surrounding area is deplorable. Not to mention the lack of nice restauraunts/bars to go to before and after the game. Who really wants to sit and wait for the 40 minute Path ride back to the city after a Nets game in Newark?
Baseball is it's own animal too, I personally thought the Mets should have tried to move to the city.
As far as the Islanders go, they are pretty much a small market team that belongs for Long Island. Going out there really sucks.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

I am trying to figure this trade out, if Favors is a 14 and 8 guy, and Harris averages about 8 assist a game and Williams over 9, and they get 4 1st rounders. How is this for sure a winner for Nj

Because 14-8 guys can be had for 3 mill a year, not get paid like the 3rd player drafted (and he is a long way from 14-8 right now) and you are comparing the output of 2 guys to 1. Williams is a 21-10 guy who can also play defense and is one of the 10 best players in the game. They got 2 first rounders, one is a protected pick which may not even be theirs for 2 or 3 years.

Draft picks in the NBA are not like draft picks in the NFL. A lot of the better teams that draft late simply sell off their 1st rounders for virtually nothing so they dont have to pay 1st round money for 3 years to players who are unlikely to contribute. This years draft is atrocious.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

Terrence Jones and Brandon Knight are p.ussies.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Absolutely untrue. To get to where the new arena will be is much more than 10 minutes. And after just spending a month in NYC driving everyday between Newark and midtown, it never took me more than 15 minutes unless the traffic was really bad in which case, you could take the PATH and be there in about a 1/2 hour or less. I don't understand why people act like being across the river makes that much of a difference. Everyone accepts that the Giants and Jets are New York teams and they both play over in Jersey. The Pats are Boston's team and look how far they are from Boston. The Angels are marketed as the Los Angeles Angels and they are way out in Anaheim. Look at where the New York Islanders play.

Great, you spent a month driving in NYC. I've lived here my entire life and the arena site is 10 minutes from the city. Bridge traffic is a non-issue 95% of the time and the train is even easier. Newark is not nearly as close or convenient.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Great, you spent a month driving in NYC. I've lived here my entire life and the arena site is 10 minutes from the city. Bridge traffic is a non-issue 95% of the time and the train is even easier. Newark is not nearly as close or convenient.

Roebling Tea Room and Enid's were my SHITE when I spent a week in Brooklyn in December.

What this has to do with the price of peanuts in China? I couldn't tell ya.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Roebling Tea Room and Enid's were my SHITE when I spent a week in Brooklyn in December.

What this has to do with the price of peanuts in China? I couldn't tell ya.

Let me know if you make it again. There are a lot of other fun spots in that area I can put you on to.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because 14-8 guys can be had for 3 mill a year, not get paid like the 3rd player drafted (and he is a long way from 14-8 right now) and you are comparing the output of 2 guys to 1. Williams is a 21-10 guy who can also play defense and is one of the 10 best players in the game. They got 2 first rounders, one is a protected pick which may not even be theirs for 2 or 3 years.

Draft picks in the NBA are not like draft picks in the NFL. A lot of the better teams that draft late simply sell off their 1st rounders for virtually nothing so they dont have to pay 1st round money for 3 years to players who are unlikely to contribute. This years draft is atrocious.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

The third player in the NBA draft makes 3.3 million dollars this year, 3.5 the following and then 3.8.

High draft picks in basketball are better than high draft picks in the NFL in a lot of ways but importantly because the salary scale for rookies in the NBA is much less than in the NFL.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The third player in the NBA draft makes 3.3 million dollars this year, 3.5 the following and then 3.8.

High draft picks in basketball are better than high draft picks in the NFL in a lot of ways but importantly because the salary scale for rookies in the NBA is much less than in the NFL.

Those numbers are not accurate.
Favors contract is:
10/11-4133280
11/12-4443360
12/13-4753320*(team option)
13/14-6008006*(team option)
14/15-7882663*(qualifying offer)

That is a 27 million dollar commitment and I believe the way the salary cap works unless you renounce his rights you still get a cap hit even if you dont pick up the option.

The advantage that NFL teams have over NBA teams is they usually have 3 or 4 years worth of information on a player. For the top 10 picks the NBA scale is better but the odds of a late first rounder making a contribution are pretty slim and yet you still have to pay them for 3 years. 2nd round NBA players get a 2 year deal (if they make the team) for peanuts but are FA's in year 3. That is going to cost the Knicks with Fields who will be asking for a whole lot more than the 470k he makes this year or the 700k he makes next year.

Draft picks in basketball are less valuable because so few impact players are drafted.

[GPK]

Who wins in this deal?

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba...ory?id=6155082

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GPK

Who wins in this deal?

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba...ory?id=6155082

If Perkins can stay healthy he is what OKC really needed especially to get through LA. Not sure why Boston made this move.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If Perkins can stay healthy he is what OKC really needed especially to get through LA. Not sure why Boston made this move.

They love Green and will resign Perkins years end.

BTW Billups is signed thru the year with a buyout. How are they strapped with Billups out?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Absolutely untrue. To get to where the new arena will be is much more than 10 minutes. And after just spending a month in NYC driving everyday between Newark and midtown, it never took me more than 15 minutes unless the traffic was really bad in which case, you could take the PATH and be there in about a 1/2 hour or less. I don't understand why people act like being across the river makes that much of a difference. Everyone accepts that the Giants and Jets are New York teams and they both play over in Jersey. The Pats are Boston's team and look how far they are from Boston. The Angels are marketed as the Los Angeles Angels and they are way out in Anaheim. Look at where the New York Islanders play.

This is not your finest work.

The Nets never had an identity. They will have one in Brooklyn. That move will be huge for them, especially if they have a decent team, and the Brooklyn location is tremendous. Not only is it by the LIRR hub, it is also next to probably the biggest subway hub in the entire NYC area. Virtually every subway goes right there. I live on the Upper West Side and can get there, door to door, in under 40 minutes. Trust me, I have gone to the Newark arena, and it is nice, but it's a MUCH bigger commute by public transportation.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

They love Green and will resign Perkins years end.

BTW Billups is signed thru the year with a buyout. How are they strapped with Billups out?

They are alone in loving Green. Atrocious defender, too slow to guard 3's, too small to guard 4's. Has a decent offensive game but how does he fit into their plans this season and next? He and Davis are basically the same player. I can't imagine they will re-sign both. I know they got pretty good pick as well and if they were not one of the two or three favs for the title I could see what they are doing.

Re-signing Perkins next year doesn't help this year when the window of opportunity seems to be the biggest. And I dont see that happening anyway if they are going to take a run at Dwight Howard in 2012.

Billups wont be bought out because they wont be able to replace him with a suitable player without eating up significant cap space. The PG class of this summer is Earl Boykins and Carlos Arroyo. I can't imagine that they would look to clear cap space and punt next year as well. Remember they are going to have to pay Fields in 12/13 as well. They have 2 guys that make 40 million already and if the hard cap or a shrinking soft cap come into effect as pretty much everyone expects, they will have less money to fill out the roster. The other issue is they have almost nothing to maneuver with.
The problem with the trade that I have is IMO it was unnecessary and has left the Knicks with a far more difficult task than if they had simply allowed it to play out.

[ateamstupid]

I think the Celtics' front office was just tired of having Perkins be so useless on offense. He's a very good defender, but that's only worth so much when you're on the bench every 4th quarter. Green gives them five double-digit scorers and finally a legitimate backup to Pierce.

I'm not in love with getting smaller, but the offensive gains will be worth it IMO.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I think the Celtics' front office was just tired of having Perkins be so useless on offense. He's a very good defender, but that's only worth so much when you're on the bench every 4th quarter. Green gives them five double-digit scorers and finally a legitimate backup to Pierce.

I'm not in love with getting smaller, but the offensive gains will be worth it IMO.

IF Shaq comes back fairly healthy and can play more than 20 minutes a game. Supposedly they are dragging their feet on bringing him back to have him healthy for the playoffs but this leaves them really thin in the frontcourt if they make the finals against the Lakers

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is not your finest work.

The Nets never had an identity. They will have one in Brooklyn. That move will be huge for them, especially if they have a decent team, and the Brooklyn location is tremendous. Not only is it by the LIRR hub, it is also next to probably the biggest subway hub in the entire NYC area. Virtually every subway goes right there. I live on the Upper West Side and can get there, door to door, in under 40 minutes. Trust me, I have gone to the Newark arena, and it is nice, but it's a MUCH bigger commute by public transportation.

I'm sorry that I always disappoint you. I do not think that the move to Brooklyn will be so great for them. I understand that it's going to be a magnificent arena and that they'll have every chance to be a big draw but I just don't think that it's going to happen. The city is still a Knicks city. Always will be. Again, I don't think that Newark is a totally different world than NYC. The Lakers moved from Inglewood to downtown LA and if they moved to Anaheim, they'd still be the same draw. If the Knicks didn't exist, NJ would be NY's team and people would have no problem crossing the river. With the cost of the new arena, the average fan won't be able to afford going and the high end people that they'd be hoping to attract are still going to be going to Knicks games. The Nets don't draw because they are the Nets, not because they are across the river. Bergen, Union, Hudson, and Essex counties are all very heavily populated and in NJ and they provide a huge fan base. If people wanted to see the Nets, they would. I don't think moving to Brooklyn will make them more attractive.