10/15 (KEE): QE II Challenge Cup S. (G1), KEE 75th Anniversary S.

[Mawhip]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I'm confused.

Who did Rick's Natural Star ride in the BC Turf?

You're right. I'm surprised it took somebody this long to notice.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

You're right. I'm surprised it took somebody this long to notice.

Indeed, we are a critical bunch here.

[Calzone Lord]

The story of IC's life:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Tm1...eature=related

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

The story of IC's life:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Tm1...eature=related

lol, yeah.

And this for your life story...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzA-V0YN3QA

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by GPK

Thanks. Certainly not the closing kick we are used to seeing from Winter Memories, but then again, facing better horses than she has been will cause a lot of that.

Being that far behind a slow pace set her up to fail. Summer Soiree was even worse.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Being that far behind a slow pace set her up to fail. Summer Soiree was even worse.

No question that pace certainly compromised WM, and she really should never had been that far behind that soft of a pace- but that said, if she isn't tactical enough to lay closer to those fractions or make up more ground after going 1:12:6 , she really doesn't rate even being discussed
SS had completely no excuse whatsoever under a dream ride, and getting beat by a filly coming in off of a pretty taxing account of herself a week earlier really makes you wonder about both of them.
It isn't like either one of them were dramatically disadvantaged by the way the race played out and both looked very average

[cmorioles]

First, that was not a slow pace for that distance and final time. The best running took place from the half to the 6f.

Second, the winner was only a few lengths in front of Winter Memories early, 3 1/2, and gained another two lengths to the finish. She couldn't even catch the 3rd place finisher, a horse that was 7th to her 8th at the first call. In a race where the winner and 3rd place finisher were 6th and 7th early, I find it hard to use pace as an excuse for the horse that was 8th early.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

First, that was not a slow pace for that distance and final time. The best running took place from the half to the 6f.

Second, the winner was only a few lengths in front of Winter Memories early, 3 1/2, and gained another two lengths to the finish. She couldn't even catch the 3rd place finisher, a horse that was 7th to her 8th at the first call. In a race where the winner and 3rd place finisher were 6th and 7th early, I find it hard to use pace as an excuse for the horse that was 8th early.

How about she isn't all that and never was.. How good do you really have to be to be a quasi star on the turf in the US. The horses are basically ordinary. 3 year old fillies that can run a little are graded turf winners in the states, why anyone would believe that any of them are more then products of depleted breeding stock and fewer decent turf trainers is beyond me. Almost all of or turf star in the states would be marginal Group 3 listed animals in Europe. Why would anymore suspect that we could have turf runners that can be or should be reviewed as more then dirt wannbes?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by freddymo

How about she isn't all that and never was..

You know I've been saying that since before the BC Juvy F Turf last year.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

You know I've been saying that since before the BC Juvy F Turf last year.

You were right yesterday, and I've pretty much agreed with you--at least that she was a bet against recently and that her trips were much better than people realized.

But, it's kind of hard to pat yourself on the back for that opinion considering what she did in between the Miss Grillo and QEII.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

You were right yesterday, and I've pretty much agreed with you--at least that she was a bet against recently and that her trips were much better than people realized.

But, it's kind of hard to pat yourself on the back for that opinion considering what she did in between the Miss Grillo and QEII.

She was beating very slow horses and being praised as some wonder horse. She even managed to toss in an off the board loss. Even her wins were nothing to write home about for me. Visually they looked great, but numerically, not so much.