D. Wayne Lukas in graded stakes - Page 2

VOL JACK · #21 10-31-2011, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Cross a line through Trappe Shot's run in the mud at Bel (which was still OK) and he's far and away the best in here. Don't really understand why they're going first preference in the Mile.

Most of all, though, as much as I like him I'm very much against Big Drama in here as the ML favorite. Of those that remain, I don't have a great opinion but I'd love to see the NY bred Giant Ryan win.

could not agree more.

blackthroatedwind · #22 10-31-2011, 09:58 AM

I think a knee jerk reaction was made right after the Vosburgh to run him in the Mile.

VOL JACK · #23 10-31-2011, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think a knee jerk reaction was made right after the Vosburgh to run him in the Mile.

On the October 1st card at Belmont, closers had NO shot.

VOL JACK · #24 10-31-2011, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

8:1 would be inviting, but I don't buy that he's a dirt horse. However, I can see throwing him in.

Back to the sprint....aren't they all running for second if Jackson Bend decides to go there?

yes.

RockHardTen1985 · #25 10-31-2011, 11:16 AM

Jackson Bend will be sprinting.

RockHardTen1985 · #26 10-31-2011, 12:06 PM

Maybe Im the only one, but I dont love Jackson Bend cutting back again. I agree with Phil about Trappe Shot and I believe Euroears is razor sharp right now. What about Amazombie? With Big Drama being a huge question mark this race could totally collapse.

blackthroatedwind · #27 10-31-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Maybe Im the only one, but I dont love Jackson Bend cutting back again. I agree with Phil about Trappe Shot and I believe Euroears is razor sharp right now. What about Amazombie? With Big Drama being a huge question mark this race could totally collapse.

You agree with Phil about Trappe Shot? OK, then, how does this possibly impact Jackson Bend?

You think the race could collapse, but like Amazombie...and not Jackson Bend?

RockHardTen1985 · #28 10-31-2011, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You agree with Phil about Trappe Shot? OK, then, how does this possibly impact Jackson Bend?

You think the race could collapse, but like Amazombie...and not Jackson Bend?

I don't love Amazombie, I think he has a chance. Wont Amazombie be around 10-1 and Jackson Bend around 5-2? If that's the case I would cover Amazombie. As of now, 5 days out I like Trappe Shot, Euroears and a little Amazombie. Jackson Bend got really good this summer, really good. I respect him and Zito. I guess my problem with him is getting up going 6f against the very best of the division.

blackthroatedwind · #29 10-31-2011, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I don't love Amazombie, I think he has a chance. Wont Amazombie be around 10-1 and Jackson Bend around 5-2? If that's the case I would cover Amazombie. As of now, 5 days out I like Trappe Shot, Euroears and a little Amazombie. Jackson Bend got really good this summer, really good. I respect him and Zito. I guess my problem with him is getting up going 6f against the very best of the division.

It's usually good to have some idea who is running in what races when forming opinions. Then again, that's just me. You clearly work in a much different way.

Sightseek · #30 10-31-2011, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You agree with Phil about Trappe Shot? OK, then, how does this possibly impact Jackson Bend?

You think the race could collapse, but like Amazombie...and not Jackson Bend?

This should be seen as an omen for Nick.

blackthroatedwind · #31 10-31-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

This should be seen as an omen for Nick.

No doubt. If there was any wavering, there shouldn't be now.

philcski · #32 10-31-2011, 01:38 PM

My concern with Jackson Bend isn't his talent, he clearly fits on credentials and figures. It's simply the fact that Sprint winners nearly always are 6F specialists. HOWEVER, one thing to note is 6F at CD is actually 6.25F and this extra bit might be enough given the pace figures to be lively.

I'll cover him but not focus on him.

RolloTomasi · #33 10-31-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

My concern with Jackson Bend isn't his talent, he clearly fits on credentials and figures. It's simply the fact that Sprint winners nearly always are 6F specialists. HOWEVER, one thing to note is 6F at CD is actually 6.25F and this extra bit might be enough given the pace figures to be lively.

It's not like Jackson Bend has an Aldebaran-type style. He has some tactical speed.

With respect to 6f specialists dominating the race, Gulch, Smile, Precisionist, Dancing Spree, Cherokee Run, Artax, Orientate, Silver Train, and Midnight Lute would suggest a horse like Jackson Bend's style can get it done.

Calzone Lord · #34 10-31-2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

HOWEVER, one thing to note is 6F at CD is actually 6.25F and this extra bit might be enough given the pace figures to be lively.

By past Breeders Cup Sprint standards ... there isn't a whole lot of speed in there.

The Vosburgh winner did go wire-to-wire -- but he hadn't seen an early lead since 2008 and there are nickle claimers who could outfoot him before throwing on the air-breaks.

Big Drama won this race wire-to-wire last year in a similar not so speed crazed BC Sprint -- he got an assist from some poor breakers -- Pachito The Che was left. BD can stalk/press and he's not killer fast.

I suppose good ole 7yo Euroears will be on the lead.

If you look at recent Moss pace figs -- I think that M and H Training & Sales Trianburger horse running in the Juvenile Sprint could get loose in there before firing on the air-breaks.

RockHardTen1985 · #35 10-31-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

My concern with Jackson Bend isn't his talent, he clearly fits on credentials and figures. It's simply the fact that Sprint winners nearly always are 6F specialists. HOWEVER, one thing to note is 6F at CD is actually 6.25F and this extra bit might be enough given the pace figures to be lively.

I'll cover him but not focus on him.

What Im saying, but better put I guess.

philcski · #36 10-31-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

It's not like Jackson Bend has an Aldebaran-type style. He has some tactical speed.

With respect to 6f specialists dominating the race, Gulch, Smile, Precisionist, Dancing Spree, Cherokee Run, Artax, Orientate, Silver Train, and Midnight Lute would suggest a horse like Jackson Bend's style can get it done.

Fair examples, but the difference is all of those were anywhere from very very good to hall of fame level types, and whereas JB is merely a "good" horse.

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

By past Breeders Cup Sprint standards ... there isn't a whole lot of speed in there.

The Vosburgh winner did go wire-to-wire -- but he hadn't seen an early lead since 2008 and there are nickle claimers who could outfoot him before throwing on the air-breaks.

Big Drama won this race wire-to-wire last year in a similar not so speed crazed BC Sprint -- he got an assist from some poor breakers -- Pachito The Che was left. BD can stalk/press and he's not killer fast.

I suppose good ole 7yo Euroears will be on the lead.

If you look at recent Moss pace figs -- I think that M and H Training & Sales Trianburger horse running in the Juvenile Sprint could get loose in there before firing on the air-breaks.

I'm expecting 21:2, 43:4 type numbers. Quick but not absurd by CD standards.

VOL JACK · #37 10-31-2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Fair examples, but the difference is all of those were anywhere from very very good to hall of fame level types, and whereas JB is merely a "good" horse.

I'm expecting 21:2, 43:4 type numbers. Quick but not absurd by CD standards.

If they go 43&4...Jackson Bend should win easy.

asudevil · #38 11-01-2011, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

It's not like Jackson Bend has an Aldebaran-type style. He has some tactical speed.

With respect to 6f specialists dominating the race, Gulch, Smile, Precisionist, Dancing Spree, Cherokee Run, Artax, Orientate, Silver Train, and Midnight Lute would suggest a horse like Jackson Bend's style can get it done.

How does Kona Gold get left off this list?

philcski · #39 11-01-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by asudevil

How does Kona Gold get left off this list?

He was talking about horses who weren't necessarily 6F specialists... Kona Gold was practically the definition of a 6F specialist. One of my all time favorites.

Indian Charlie · #40 11-01-2011, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

He was talking about horses who weren't necessarily 6F specialists... Kona Gold was practically the definition of a 6F specialist. One of my all time favorites.

I'd say KG was more of a 5.5F specialist, so technically speaking....