Jets

[ateamstupid]

Glad your perpetual 6-10 team won its Super Bowl again, Chuck. Should be comforting.

Sanchez will be fine once Schitty is toast and they bring Braylon back. Let's not forget that Drew Brees had to be benched in his third season when Schitty was his QB coach. It's fashionable to dump on Rex now, but the guy has been wildly successful for a rookie head coach thus far. Every franchise in the country going through a championship drought would sign up for what Rex has given us in his first three years. They had a bad year and have to get a lot of things corrected, but I'm way happier with Tannenbaum/Rex/Sanchez than I've ever been with a Jet GM/HC/QB in my life.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Glad your perpetual 6-10 team won its Super Bowl again, Chuck. Should be comforting.

Sanchez will be fine once Schitty is toast and they bring Braylon back. Let's not forget that Drew Brees had to be benched in his third season when Schitty was his QB coach. It's fashionable to dump on Rex now, but the guy has been wildly successful for a rookie head coach thus far. Every franchise in the country going through a championship drought would sign up for what Rex has given us in his first three years. They had a bad year and have to get a lot of things corrected, but I'm way happier with Tannenbaum/Rex/Sanchez than I've ever been with a Jet GM/HC/QB in my life.

Glad to see you are still a delusional Jet fan. Braylon Edwards? Wow.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Glad to see you are still a delusional Jet fan. Braylon Edwards? Wow.

Yeah, he never made any big plays for us. Brandon Marshall's really changed things for the Jimmy Buffetts. Hopefully another one of our assistants doesn't turn down your head coaching job.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yeah, he never made any big plays for us. Brandon Marshall's really changed things for the Jimmy Buffetts. Hopefully another one of our assistants doesn't turn down your head coaching job.

Brandon Marshall versus Braylon Edwards? You are kidding right? Are you seriously going to say that the lack of Braylon Edwards was a factor in the Jets collapse? Really?

I would be glad to discuss Miami's issues if anyone would be interested. Unlike you I understand that my team has some holes to fill that wont be solved by a B-level WR but hey we still managed to beat your team again.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Brandon Marshall versus Braylon Edwards? You are kidding right? Are you seriously going to say that the lack of Braylon Edwards was a factor in the Jets collapse? Really?

I would be glad to discuss Miami's issues if anyone would be interested. Unlike you I understand that my team has some holes to fill that wont be solved by a B-level WR but hey we still managed to beat your team again.

I realize it sounds silly, but I agree not having Braylon was a factor. Was it as big a factor as having an ineffective offensive line? Of course not.

Was it as big a factor as the defense underperforming? Again, of course not. But Braylon made a lot of big plays when it mattered. That was something that was missing from the Jets for a majority of the season. No one stepped up with a big play when the team desperately needed someone to.

I don't think having Braylon there this season would have off set their flaws, but it might have made them not so apparent.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Brandon Marshall versus Braylon Edwards? You are kidding right? Are you seriously going to say that the lack of Braylon Edwards was a factor in the Jets collapse? Really?

I would be glad to discuss Miami's issues if anyone would be interested. Unlike you I understand that my team has some holes to fill that wont be solved by a B-level WR but hey we still managed to beat your team again.

As a Dolphin fan, you may have been asleep the last two Decembers and Januarys, but Braylon was an enormous part of our success. He gets dogged because of his off-field issues and his disappearance this season, but he's a legitimate deep threat when healthy, which we lacked completely this year. Are you saying that Sanchez and Schottenheimer suddenly forgot how to throw passes further than 20 yards? No, we just had nobody who could get separation downfield. It hurts every facet of the offense, particularly the running game.

You'll have to point out where I said our only issue was not having Braylon. But that's only if you want to stop having straw man arguments. The Jets have several issues, but I think anybody with a brain would say we're still a hell of a lot closer to a Super Bowl than your miserable team. Like I said, congrats on winning your yearly championship. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I realize it sounds silly, but I agree not having Braylon was a factor. Was it as big a factor as having an ineffective offensive line? Of course not.

Was it as big a factor as the defense underperforming? Again, of course not. But Braylon made a lot of big plays when it mattered. That was something that was missing from the Jets for a majority of the season. No one stepped up with a big play when the team desperately needed someone to.

I don't think having Braylon there this season would have off set their flaws, but it might have made them not so apparent.

Are we talking about the same Braylon Edwards? The guy who led the league in drops? The guy that a playoff team lacking in WR depth cut? The guy that is always hurt? The team decided to grab a guy out of jail as opposed to him, Braylon Edwards? The guy with the bad knee that every team in the NFL just passed on?

When did Braylon Edwards turn into Larry Fitzgerald? He had a few big catches but seriously was a non-factor far more often. Hard to believe that him being there as opposed to Burress would have made a big difference. If you said that Woody and Faneca's replacements obviously were a downgrade I guess that would make sense. I'm just surprised that more isnt made of that.

[ateamstupid]

Braylon Edwards YPC 2010: 17.1
Jets' leading WR in YPC 2011: 13.6 (Plax)

He has his faults, but we simply didn't have a vertical passing attack without him. It was a big loss.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

As a Dolphin fan, you may have been asleep the last two Decembers and Januarys, but Braylon was an enormous part of our success. He gets dogged because of his off-field issues and his disappearance this season, but he's a legitimate deep threat when healthy, which we lacked completely this year. Are you saying that Sanchez and Schottenheimer suddenly forgot how to throw passes further than 20 yards? No, we just had nobody who could get separation downfield. It hurts every facet of the offense, particularly the running game.

You'll have to point out where I said our only issue was not having Braylon. But that's only if you want to stop having straw man arguments. The Jets have several issues, but I think anybody with a brain would say we're still a hell of a lot closer to a Super Bowl than your miserable team. Like I said, congrats on winning your yearly championship. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Really? Where was all this Braylon love before? He caught 50 something passes last year. Are you forgetting that it didnt matter if Bob Hayes was running open 50 yards downfield when the QB was often running from the pass rush as opposed to finding receivers?
You pointed out Edwards and the O coordinator. Thats it. I was working off of your inane comments that if they had a different coordinator and Braylon Edwards that things would have been different. That is the pie in the sky argument.

The Jets went into the tank this season and have lost their identity. That much is obvious to those without green colored glasses. Lashing out at me doesnt change that. Being all defensive just makes you look like a homer.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Braylon Edwards YPC 2010: 17.1
Jets' leading WR in YPC 2011: 13.6 (Plax)

He has his faults, but we simply didn't have a vertical passing attack without him. It was a big loss.

Well get your super bowl tickts for next year!!! Surely Mr Edwards will be available?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are we talking about the same Braylon Edwards? The guy who led the league in drops? The guy that a playoff team lacking in WR depth cut? The guy that is always hurt? The team decided to grab a guy out of jail as opposed to him, Braylon Edwards? The guy with the bad knee that every team in the NFL just passed on?

When did Braylon Edwards turn into Larry Fitzgerald? He had a few big catches but seriously was a non-factor far more often. Hard to believe that him being there as opposed to Burress would have made a big difference. If you said that Woody and Faneca's replacements obviously were a downgrade I guess that would make sense. I'm just surprised that more isnt made of that.

I didn't say it was a major factor and I certainly didn't compare him to Larry Fitzgerald. You even admitted he had a few big catches. That's all I was getting at.

Considering one of the guys they signed (Mason) to replace Braylon didn't even make it halfway through the season, I think the Jets missed him.

I agree the offensive line replacements were downgrades. It's part of the reason Sanchez struggled IMO. When you get around 3 seconds to find a receiver it's tough to be effective.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Really? Where was all this Braylon love before? He caught 50 something passes last year. Are you forgetting that it didnt matter if Bob Hayes was running open 50 yards downfield when the QB was often running from the pass rush as opposed to finding receivers?
You pointed out Edwards and the O coordinator. Thats it. I was working off of your inane comments that if they had a different coordinator and Braylon Edwards that things would have been different. That is the pie in the sky argument.

The Jets went into the tank this season and have lost their identity. That much is obvious to those without green colored glasses. Lashing out at me doesnt change that. Being all defensive just makes you look like a homer.

Oh jeez, with the 'identity' bullshit. This isn't CSI. They didn't play well this year, period. They had several issues. But not having a receiver like Braylon was, without a doubt, one of them.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well get your super bowl tickts for next year!!! Surely Mr Edwards will be available?

Way to refute my point.

[3kings]

Just curious.

If Edwards was so valuable why did they run him out of town? He said he preferred to stay and only signed for 1M? They didn't want him this year, what makes you think they would want him back.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I didn't say it was a major factor and I certainly didn't compare him to Larry Fitzgerald. You even admitted he had a few big catches. That's all I was getting at.

Considering one of the guys they signed (Mason) to replace Braylon didn't even make it halfway through the season, I think the Jets missed him.

I agree the offensive line replacements were downgrades. It's part of the reason Sanchez struggled IMO. When you get around 3 seconds to find a receiver it's tough to be effective.

Of course Edwards was hurt most of the season so it might have been a moot point anyway. I just think that the Jets were set up to fail this year because they actually believed themselves to be better than they thought they were despite issues (Mason, O-line, lack of quality depth, offensive scheme) which falls on Rex. It isnt that they arent a good team or talented team, just one that wasnt as good as the press clippings and Rex made them out to be.

A question that should be asked is why were they millions below the cap when having some obvious need areas?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Oh jeez, with the 'identity' bullshit. This isn't CSI. They didn't play well this year, period. They had several issues. But not having a receiver like Braylon was, without a doubt, one of them.

Yeah well when your offense and defense are fighting, your QB and captain WR are having fights in meetings and that same captain quits on the team in full view of the entire world...well???

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Just curious.

If Edwards was so valuable why did they run him out of town? He said he preferred to stay and only signed for 1M? They didn't want him this year, what makes you think they would want him back.

Supposedly because of off-field issues and him being a locker room diva. But I'd argue that Santonio is an even bigger diva. I don't know if they're going to bring him back, but I'd like to see it happen.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Way to refute my point.

Your point was fairly pointless. Holmes led the league in YPC a few years ago. Is he crippled now? Why are you always so defensive? It isnt like i'm breaking down your fantasy team?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah well when your offense and defense are fighting, your QB and captain WR are having fights in meetings and that same captain quits on the team in full view of the entire world...well???

It means Santonio is a dipshit. I don't know what that has to do with your 'identity' comment. For someone who hates the overstating of intangibles, I'm surprised you'd use such a meaningless term.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Your point was fairly pointless. Holmes led the league in YPC a few years ago. Is he crippled now? Why are you always so defensive? It isnt like i'm breaking down your fantasy team?

This is what you do. You're dead wrong about things you barely know anything about, and then you act like I'm the one who is out of line because I tell you you're wrong. You're just trolling. I agreed with you that Braylon was far from the only missing piece, but said you were understating his importance, backing it up with numbers. What else do you want me to say?