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[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you want to vote for "fiscal responsibility", I suggest one educate themselves on reality.

Obama budget compared to the Republican candidates, affect on our debt. Paul matches Obama, (how about that, Ron Paul acolytes? for an alternative candidate for your most important issue) the other GOP candidates blow up our debt, increasing it massively.



And a little reality on how Obama is lowering our deficit

"Fiscal responsibility" means spending less than you make. There will not be an option for that this or any other year. If you want to vote for the least of the evils it has to be Paul.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Because it's true.

But, hey, you keep talking about "facts".

I'm glad the one month of January, after the six straight months of job loss, was a net gain, while the unemployment rates you quote of course have nothing to do with job joss numbers.

Why you think that your quoting one month of January someone magically makes the months of July through December 2011 invalid, I don't know. Can you explain how that works? Via the "facts"?

http://www.politiscoop.com/us-politi...job-loss-.html.

What about Jan '11 thru June '11? Did you post those numbers also that show all of the job gains that more than nulifies all losses? How do the results look from the day Walker took office as compared to the Doyle Administration? Imagine if the democrats worked with governor Walker how many jobs we could have added instead of fighting recalls, political battles,etc

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

What about Jan '11 thru June '11? Did you post those numbers also that show all of the job gains that more than nulifies all losses?

What about it? Wisconsin's massive, country-leading six months of job losses were the last six months of 2011, under Governor Walker. According to the Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics, your statement is completely false.

Wisconsin is still behind in jobs, the jobs lost have not be replaced, although January, as you posted in another thread, had a net gain. But no, that little net gain in January didn't replace all losses.

Absolutely the thousands of jobs lost in 2011 have not already been replaced. Post your numbers if you are going to make crazy claims.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

What about it? Wisconsin's massive, country-leading six months of job losses were the last six months of 2011, under Governor Walker. According to the Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics, your statement is completely false.

Wisconsin is still behind in jobs, the jobs lost have not be replaced, although January, as you posted in another thread, had a net gain. But no, that little net gain in January didn't replace all losses.

Absolutely the thousands of jobs lost in 2011 have not already been replaced. Post your numbers if you are going to make crazy claims.

Unlike your mysterious mining press release( that no one can find but supposidely you) the jobs numbers are available for your viewing pleasure. Try looking them up. I will give u a hint not on huffington or any liberal blog.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Unlike your mysterious mining press release( that no one can find but supposidely you)

LOL - I've told you the press conference from the company May 6th. Try your Wisconsin newspapers - which is where I got the info from.

the jobs numbers are available for your viewing pleasure. Try looking them up. I will give u a hint not on huffington or any liberal blog

I'm going by the published Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers that show that Wisconsin had the worse job creation in the country, six straight months of job loss. You know, the links I've posted multiple times here? That are sitting in the other thread right now?

Oh, and here's the information from Drudge for you. Hardly a "liberal blog"

February 2012
Wisconsin’s six consecutive months with job loss

Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics released a report compiling job numbers for every state in the Union. The report shows Wisconsin is the only state to have lost jobs for the past six straight months, while the nation as a whole has gained jobs for 22 straight months. Below is Rep. Pocan's statement on Wisconsin's dismal job performance under Governor Scott Walker:

http://www.drudge.com/news/153551/wi...ive-months-job

Post different if you have them. You don't. Six straight months of job loss under Walker. He's a job-loss disaster.

Oh: and here's Politifact showing how Walker attempting to use in-state job numbers (Wisconsin Workforce Development) rather than Federal Bureau of Labor Stats numbers, in an attempt to fudge the numbers and make himself look good - is faked. Just read down through all the updates, which shows how Walker's claims are not true.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...0000-new-jobs/

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

"Fiscal responsibility" means spending less than you make. There will not be an option for that this or any other year. If you want to vote for the least of the evils it has to be Paul.

No thanks. I'd rather vote for someone more clever that does not eliminate Medicare, Social Security, Education, OSHA, etc, and gets all that with the same amount of spending as Paul.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - I've told you the press conference from the company May 6th. Try your Wisconsin newspapers - which is where I got the info from.



I'm going by the published Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers that show that Wisconsin had the worse job creation in the country, six straight months of job loss. You know, the links I've posted multiple times here? That are sitting in the other thread right now?

Oh, and here's the information from Drudge for you. Hardly a "liberal blog"


Post different if you have them. You don't. Six straight months of job loss under Walker. He's a job-loss disaster.

Look at jan- june 2011 numbers

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Look at jan- june 2011 numbers

I have. I posted the actual graph in the other thread, the Economic Policy Institute analysis of the Federal Bureau of Labor numbers. Six straight months of massive job loss in Wisconsin, and no, the jobs numbers still are not back where they were.

In fact, lets actually list those Jan-June 2011 number right here for you now:

See the January 2011- June 2011 red line? Every job created was lost. Net change to zero (the black line)

See the red line from June 2011 through December 2011? Job loss. Six months. Wisconsin. While other states were growing. Yes, my statement has always been true. Walker was responsible for six straight months of job loss in Wisconsin.

See where the line is now? Still below the number of jobs Wisconsin had in June 2011 (the heavy black line)

Here's the graph again. Can you read it this time, maybe?

http://www.epi.org/blog/wisconsin-an...ector-workers/

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

No thanks. I'd rather vote for someone more clever that does not eliminate Medicare, Social Security, Education, OSHA, etc, and gets all that with the same amount of spending as Paul.

Clever I will give you, too clever actually..."transparent"
It will be all that clever that takes down the whole system before we know it. Cant dig your way out of a hole no matter how deep you go.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Clever I will give you, too clever actually..."transparent"
It will be all that clever that takes down the whole system before we know it. Cant dig your way out of a hole no matter how deep you go.

Our deficit will be cut in half in 10 years - with zero change to current policies, including Medicare and Social Security and tax rates - after the Bush tax cuts expire.

That is the thing I'm mad about most regarding the president, he kept those. The unfunded Bush tax cuts were the major driver of our deficit. The wars can be over, those expenditures eliminated, and the unfunded Medicare can be readily corrected, too.

But Bush decimating our income with his unfunded tax cuts, the money we use to pay for what was already in place, without eliminating anything that money was paying for, was devastating to this country.

And you can see how this, other than the Recovery Act, is Obama's biggest expense, too.

That is shown on this chart, which has the size of the blocks relative to their financial worth:

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are posting unemployment numbers. Not job loss numbers. Those are two different things. Wisconsin leads the country is jobs lost over the past 6 months. And the figures proving that are posted in everything I cited.

And here's another review of Wisconsin's record setting, disastrous job loss, from today:

http://www.epi.org/blog/wisconsin-an...ector-workers/

Again from the Labor Dept. itself employed in WI!

Including those public sector blood sucking jobs that were cut

2011 Jan 3069656(B) 2833068(B)
2011 Feb 3070780(B) 2836783(B)
2011 Mar 3070312(B) 2838145(B)
2011 Apr 3067707(B) 2836190(B)
2011 May 3063898(B) 2831604(B)
2011 Jun 3060386(B) 2826899(B)
2011 Jul 3058088(B) 2824515(B)
2011 Aug 3057357(B) 2825784(B)
2011 Sep 3057366(B) 2829775(B)
2011 Oct 3057248(B) 2834554(B)
2011 Nov 3056534(B) 2838869(B)
2011 Dec 3056367(B) 2843199(B)
2012 Jan 3054720(P) 2844774(P)

1rst number is labor force second employed!

Get a clue. KY and your native IL is what should be following WI lead.

On Wisconsin !!!!

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Our deficit will be cut in half in 10 years - with zero change to current policies, including Medicare and Social Security and tax rates - after the Bush tax cuts expire.

That is the thing I'm mad about most regarding the president, he kept those. The unfunded Bush tax cuts were the major driver of our deficit. The wars can be over, those expenditures eliminated, and the unfunded Medicare can be readily corrected, too.

But Bush decimating our income with his unfunded tax cuts, the money we use to pay for what was already in place, without eliminating anything that money was paying for, was devastating to this country.

And you can see how this, other than the Recovery Act, is Obama's biggest expense, too.

That is shown on this chart, which has the size of the blocks relative to their financial worth:

Deficit in half is true believer talk, you cannot increase spending and budget for deficits and expect the total to decrease. I know you are a Dr. but that is just basic math.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Again from the Labor Dept. itself employed in WI!

Including those public sector blood sucking jobs that were cut

2011 Jan 3069656(B) 2833068(B)
2011 Feb 3070780(B) 2836783(B)
2011 Mar 3070312(B) 2838145(B)
2011 Apr 3067707(B) 2836190(B)
2011 May 3063898(B) 2831604(B)
2011 Jun 3060386(B) 2826899(B)
2011 Jul 3058088(B) 2824515(B)
2011 Aug 3057357(B) 2825784(B)
2011 Sep 3057366(B) 2829775(B)
2011 Oct 3057248(B) 2834554(B)
2011 Nov 3056534(B) 2838869(B)
2011 Dec 3056367(B) 2843199(B)
2012 Jan 3054720(P) 2844774(P)

1rst number is labor force second employed!

Get a clue. KY and your native IL is what should be following WI lead.

On Wisconsin !!!!

Math...

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Math...

I've met this Riot in person. She's a mess, trust me!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Again from the Labor Dept. itself employed in WI!

1rst number is labor force second employed!

God help us. Dell - the numbers you are posting are percentage of unemployed.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. The percentage of unemployed out of the workforce is not the same thing as the number of jobs lost. The number of jobs lost does not correlate to that percentage. Apples and oranges.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Math...

No, we haven't gotten to "math". We are still trying to get Dell to understand that we are not talking about percentage of unemployed compared to those working, but number of jobs lost.

No. Those are not. the. same. thing. Apples and oranges. Actually, apples and vegetables.

As illustrated on the graph, and in the multiple articles I linked to. Wisconsin: worst job loss in the nation. Six straight months of job loss.

Except in Dell and Wiphan's imaginary fantasy land of denial.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Deficit in half is true believer talk, you cannot increase spending and budget for deficits and expect the total to decrease, unless you completely ignore the amount of the income stream (tax rates, employment, business tax rates, expiring tax cuts which will bring in more money

FTFY. Has nothing at all to do with "belief".

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, we haven't gotten to "math". We are still trying to get Dell to understand that we are not talking about percentage of unemployed compared to those working, but number of jobs lost.

No. Those are not. the. same. thing. Apples and oranges. Actually, apples and vegetables..

Let me be as simple as possible for you

2011 Aug 2825784(B)
2011 Sep 2829775(B)
2011 Oct 2834554(B)
2011 Nov 2838869(B)
2011 Dec 2843199(B)
2012 Jan 2844774(P)

The above numbers represent the actual number of those employed in WI month by month (jobs). These numbers are also supplied directly from the U.S. Bureau of Labor not dailykos, huffipoo etc.

September's number is larger than August. Then October more jobs, November even more, December more and unbelievably January even larger for 5 straight months of job growth. See when the number comes back larger it means jobs gained not lost (again despite the slashing of thousands of needless, redundant, economy sucking public sector jobs and their over inflated benefits that come with them) thus indicating the private sector is alive and well in Wisconsin. So well in fact the President visited MasterLock, in Milwaukee in an attempt to take credit for bringing back jobs from China despite having absolutely nothing to do with it.

Math must have been one of your tougher subjects in school.

Probably why Wisconsin is under 7% unemployment rate while KY is struggling at 9%. (Have some veggies with your fruit)

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Let me be as simple as possible for you

2011 Aug 2825784(B)
2011 Sep 2829775(B)
2011 Oct 2834554(B)
2011 Nov 2838869(B)
2011 Dec 2843199(B)
2012 Jan 2844774(P)

The above numbers represent the actual number of those employed in WI month by month (jobs). These numbers are also supplied directly from the U.S. Bureau of Labor not dailykos, huffipoo etc.

Sigh. Dell. This is not "math". This is "reading comprehension".

Again: the BLS unemployment rate you post (without reference, btw) are not the same thing as the BLS number of jobs available that I have posted.

They are not interrelated zero sum numbers dependent upon each other.
They are measuring two different things.
That's why the BLS lists both.

Want proof? Tell me, from the six months you've listed above, using your numbers, tell me how many factories closed in Wisconsin and how many job opportunities were lost?

You can't do it. That's because your numbers have nothing to do with it. Your numbers are only the actual number of people working. Your numbers do not reflect job opportunities open, available.

I am sorry you simply can't understand that.

Again: Wisconsin, 6 straight months of job loss 2011, the worse in the nation, and it's the actual BLS report, in the multiple references I have provided (which you've clearly not bothered to click on) that show that.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot