dullahan

[Thunder Gulch]

I HATED Dullahan in the Derby, and I still have my doubts about him on dirt, but he was brilliant on the Belmont dirt a few days ago, and Romans thinks he's ready. I think he and Paynter are the two IHA has to worry about. I've completely abandoned the Union Rags bandwagon for the time being.

[Calzone Lord]

I actually look for at least a little more pace than people are expecting in the Belmont.

You have a full field, a big crowd that might stir up a few horses, not a very long run into the 1st turn, and a lot of jockeys on hopeless horses who know they have no shot if they're not forward...and might want to try and pull a D' Tara on the front end or a Commendable pressing a stretch-out sprinter from a clear 2nd.

Paynter won a 5.5 furlong maiden race just four months ago. Unstoppable U won a 6 furlong maiden dueling on the lead less than 3 months ago. A few other horses in there can go faster than 48.

I just wish I didn't have to hear all of those people going on about how Dullahan is training. I'm gonna take one last shot with him. I don't see myself on him again for a while after this.

[Perrault Robbed]

Calzone, didn't you mention in a previous thread that the late runners from the Derby were horses to bet against next time out? The statment held to form as Went the Day Well did not go the day well in the Preakness. Are you not going against your own advice by picking Dullahan?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

If he's to have any chance to win, he'll need to do it from closer to the pace than he's ever been around two turns. In a 12-furlong race with a projected moderate pace, that drop back and make one late run shtick isn't going to cut it. I just can't see it. I'll Have Another and Paynter both will get first run on him. Castellano has to hope neither of those two will get the distance.

i agree. belmont is usually kinder to front runners and stalkers, not the closers. too many think every time a horse almost gets there that with added distance, he will. and then they don't. but they get oh so close, and suck in some bettors next time around...

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Perrault Robbed

Calzone, didn't you mention in a previous thread that the late runners from the Derby were horses to bet against next time out? The statment held to form as Went the Day Well did not go the day well in the Preakness. Are you not going against your own advice by picking Dullahan?

Summer Bird and Jazil seemed to do alright.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Perrault Robbed

Calzone, didn't you mention in a previous thread that the late runners from the Derby were horses to bet against next time out? The statment held to form as Went the Day Well did not go the day well in the Preakness. Are you not going against your own advice by picking Dullahan?

Yes, I am.

However, deep closers also can overachieve in the Belmont if they get a 47 and change pace.

If they don't ... they have to be clear-cut the best horse in order to win.

Dullahan obviously needs 47 and change and he needs Union Rags to give I'll Have Another a little pressure after a mile.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Summer Bird and Jazil seemed to do alright.

Jazil got a smoking pace.

If Dullahan gets that type of pace, I think his main competition is as likely to be a nag like Street Life as it is to be anyone of the big 3 horses.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Jazil got a smoking pace.

If Dullahan gets that type of pace, I think his main competition is as likely to be a nag like Street Life as it is to be anyone of the big 3 horses.

With you there...it is just hard to figure out the pace because who knows which one of these pinheads will either go early for no reason or make an early move because he had no clue how big the track really is.

[pucknut]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Jazil got a smoking pace.

If Dullahan gets that type of pace, I think his main competition is as likely to be a nag like Street Life as it is to be anyone of the big 3 horses.

street life's numbers have been improving each race nag may not be an accurate adjective for this improving colt

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

easy on the street life nag stuff..hes done ok and has alot to look forward to this year. he just may get the dist and get a nice check over many over achievers that are here..ill take his jock over anyone here when my money is on the line.

[RolloTomasi]

A couple of months ago, the hype on Street Life, due to his last-to-first/on the wrong lead rallies, was at massive proportions. It's only just that he's now getting the "nag" backlash he deserves. He's failed miserably when stepped up in class, which was predictable, given the fact that he had to retreat to the inner track at Aqueduct to break his maiden.

He failed to catch the near 50-1 Right To Vote, stretching out from 6.5f, in the Peter Pan last out despite getting a breakneck :45+ and 1:09+ setup.

Mercifully, he has Mr. Prospector blood coursing through his veins, so he does have some shot.

[pucknut]

dont you think he moved to late that race he had planty of steam post finish and i say this redboarding that he cost me that trifecta with that late burst

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

right to vote would be 6-1 in this field..

[pucknut]

if streetlife was pointing to this all along does that give him an asterisk in the peter pan?
maybe this race that burst is just after the top of the stretch and he sits closer to the pace not dead freaking last

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by pucknut

dont you think he moved to late that race he had planty of steam post finish and i say this redboarding that he cost me that trifecta with that late burst

He always moves late. He has no speed and has no pronounced turn of foot. He takes all day to get in gear. The jock was all over him well before the top of the stretch in the Peter Pan, the horses stopped to a walk in front of him (Right To Vote took 39s to complete the final 3/8s) and he couldn't make a dent.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

right to vote would be 6-1 in this field..

If it looks like it will be a soft pace, I suppose it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility, given his gut-busting effort in the Peter Pan.

Of course, in no way would that help Street Life's chances.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by pucknut

if streetlife was pointing to this all along does that give him an asterisk in the peter pan?
maybe this race that burst is just after the top of the stretch and he sits closer to the pace not dead freaking last

He was pointing for the Wood Memorial and the Kentucky Derby, too. How many chances does he get before being thoroughly exposed?

He sat close in the minor Broad Brush. Life and death to get up.

Atigun has a better chance.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

you were right street life is not much..but dullihan is not anything..on the dirt..

[Cajungator26]

Dullahan looked uncomfortable the whole race... hope the horse came out of the race ok.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

blowing a 57 and change work before you run a mile and 1/2 isnt very smart..imo

Risen Star went 33 and change. I just saw this.