"fan favorite all-time Thoroughbreds bracket challenge"

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

One of the more bizarre lists I've ever seen.

Citation and Whirlaway had two of the greatest 3yo seasons of all-time and both horses were tremendously popular in their day ... and neither appear in the top 10 seeds.

Yet, Exterminator -- who was much older and less popular is on the list.

And where's Stymie on this silly thing?

[slotdirt]

How in the heck is Shackleford more of a "fan favorite" than Citation or freaking Whirlaway? Not to mention the Prairie Bayou silliness.

[slotdirt]

Big Brown? Didn't people love to hate Big Brown more than actually love Big Brown?

The Prairie Bayou thing boggles the mind. Just thinking of horses who ran in the Triple Crown series alone since 1993, Thunder Gulch, Fusaichi Pegasus, even freaking Giacomo were probably more popular than Prairie Bayou. Of horses who left us prematurely, Go for Wand was surely a more popular horse than Prairie Bayou.

[Calzone Lord]

Horses who haven't raced in almost 100 years like Man O' War and Exterminator don't have "fans" -- scarecy anyone still alive has even witnessed them.

And if they are included, where do you draw the line?

Salvator ("the horse of the century") from the 1890's -- he had negro folk songs about him, one of the great writers in the DRF used his name as a pen name, he always attracted huge crowds.

Old Rosebud "the courages cripple" was at least as popular with racing fans than any horse from his time period (Man O' War and Exterminator included) Equipoise was also very popular.

[Calzone Lord]

Carbine -- born in 1885 -- finished 2nd to Phar Lap in the all-time Melbourne Cup simulation based on the polling of 22 "experts" of the turf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM5eV...feature=g-vrec

Good race call.

[alysheba4]

snow cheif had a big fan base but that was a long time ago

[joeydb]

They forgot "The Green Monkey"

[Conrad]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Was the Funny Cide beer any good?

No, neither was the purple Zenyatta kool aid

[Merlinsky]

They're doing a few matchups, asking you to "vote" by commenting on FB. Why don't you go tell Paulick who you prefer-- Secretariat or Groovy, Kelso or Better Talk Now. Gee, let me think. PS. Secret option C in all cases is Zenyatta.

[Calzone Lord]

Sadly, Kelso is beating Better Talk Now in the voting.

1-seed Zenyatta VS 16-seed Lady's Secret.

Imagine if Wayne Lukas trained Zenyatta. That would have been scary.

[Calzone Lord]

3-seed John Henry VS 14-seed Citation

In 1999 Timeform's handicappers rated the best American horses of the last century that lead with the following:

Secretariat 144 pounds
Citation 142 pounds
Spectacular Bid 141 pounds
Man O' War 139 pounds

Citation is seeded much lower than Prarie Bayou and Exterminator.

[JJP]

I don't think I could drink any beer that was a "cide".

Spectacular Bid as a 5 seed? With Anticipation made the list?

[Calzone Lord]

Spectacular Bid wasn't an especially popular horse like a lot of champions from the 70's.

He wasn't a NY or California based horse with a built in fan base. His jockey and trainer were both VERY unlikeable people. Both in general, and with the racing press.

He came around at a time when he followed a bunch of very popular great racers (Secretariat, Ruffian, Forego, Affirmed, Alydar, Seattle Slew)

Unlike a lot of great horses, he was heavily traveled and heavily campaigned and tested all through his racing career and he even traveled all over and took on some big weight concessions at age 4 and he always made his competition look a lot worse than they actually were under closer and competent inspection.

I think Timeform made a mistake not rating him the outright number one horse of the last century. When you compare horses on merit, record for record, he simply holds an advantage over all of the other horses.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Spectacular Bid wasn't an especially popular horse like a lot of champions from the 70's.

He wasn't a NY or California based horse with a built in fan base. His jockey and trainer were both VERY unlikeable people. Both in general, and with the racing press.

He came around at a time when he followed a bunch of very popular great racers (Secretariat, Ruffian, Forego, Affirmed, Alydar, Seattle Slew)

Unlike a lot of great horses, he was heavily traveled and heavily campaigned and tested all through his racing career and he even traveled all over and took on some big weight concessions at age 4 and he always made his competition look a lot worse than they actually were under closer and competent inspection.

I think Timeform made a mistake not rating him the outright number one horse of the last century. When you compare horses on merit, record for record, he simply holds an advantage over all of the other horses.

The Best Horse of The Century, hands down, The Bid was The Best............

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Spectacular Bid wasn't an especially popular horse like a lot of champions from the 70's.

He wasn't a NY or California based horse with a built in fan base. His jockey and trainer were both VERY unlikeable people. Both in general, and with the racing press.

He came around at a time when he followed a bunch of very popular great racers (Secretariat, Ruffian, Forego, Affirmed, Alydar, Seattle Slew)

Unlike a lot of great horses, he was heavily traveled and heavily campaigned and tested all through his racing career and he even traveled all over and took on some big weight concessions at age 4 and he always made his competition look a lot worse than they actually were under closer and competent inspection.

I think Timeform made a mistake not rating him the outright number one horse of the last century. When you compare horses on merit, record for record, he simply holds an advantage over all of the other horses.

The crowd at Belmont boo'ed during the his last race, the walkover.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The crowd at Belmont boo'ed during the his last race, the walkover.

They must have been a bunch of a-holes, The Bid just closed out his amazing career with a walkover in a GRADE 1 race, They had no clue that they were witnessing the greatest horse that ever ran...........

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by JJP

I don't think I could drink any beer that was a "cide".

Spectacular Bid as a 5 seed? With Anticipation made the list?

Not gonna lie, don't mind With Anticipation personally as I was always a fan. Gorgeous grey, by Relaunch out of Fran's Valentine. Looked forward to it whenever he ran. I'd get it if others disagree. Not sure where he really ought to be ranked though. This tournament's in a bizarro universe anyway.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Spectacular Bid wasn't an especially popular horse like a lot of champions from the 70's.

He wasn't a NY or California based horse with a built in fan base. His jockey and trainer were both VERY unlikeable people. Both in general, and with the racing press.

He came around at a time when he followed a bunch of very popular great racers (Secretariat, Ruffian, Forego, Affirmed, Alydar, Seattle Slew)

Unlike a lot of great horses, he was heavily traveled and heavily campaigned and tested all through his racing career and he even traveled all over and took on some big weight concessions at age 4 and he always made his competition look a lot worse than they actually were under closer and competent inspection.

I think Timeform made a mistake not rating him the outright number one horse of the last century. When you compare horses on merit, record for record, he simply holds an advantage over all of the other horses.

yeah, bud delp rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. his comments that the bid was the best to ever look through a bridle weren't well received, especially coming so soon after secretariat, with two other tc winners right after. after all was said and done tho, i think delp was right. but people don't always want to hear the truth.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, bud delp rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. his comments that the bid was the best to ever look through a bridle weren't well received, especially coming so soon after secretariat, with two other tc winners right after. after all was said and done tho, i think delp was right. but people don't always want to hear the truth.

Aint that the TRUTH