REPORT: Fox News Spends Two-Plus Hours Distorting Obama's Small Business Comments

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Yeah, but that was all accomplished via Affirmative Action...

Apparently being poor, growing up in a single-family home with no father, being left by your mother to grow up with your grandparents, have to work to get into college, work to get into law school, work to become president of Harvard Law Review, work to earn money to buy a house and raise a family, doesn't count if you're Barack Obama.

I am sick of the haters and Faux News outright lying about this President, what he says, what he does. No president in my lifetime has been disrespected, lied about and hated like this, and that includes Bush the Younger. You can go back and see how Abraham Lincoln was treated like this - which provides an interesting context for Obama's treatment.

And any American citizen who cares about this country ought to be sick of the lies, too. Judge them all on the truth, on what they actually do, actually say. Not manufactured, made-up birther conspiracy nonsense bull.sh.i.a.t.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

What is your point? That it's only valid "work" if you have a business of a certain size with a certain number of employees? That's absurd. The President has worked to earn to support himself, and later himself and his family. Like nearly every other American. Employees "work", and self-employed accounts, doctors, auto mechanics, etc. "work" even if they don't have a business and have to make any payroll other than themselves. Obama has done that.

If you want to look at someone who was gifted, geeshus, look at Romney. He never started from scratch. The toughest period in his life, according to his wife, was when they were "poor" in school, and they had to live off stock income! He never made any product. But he still "worked" in my view.

Work history for the President in the private sector would definitely prove your point?

Never said anything about Romney as I do not care much for him either, he is a silver spooner. This is about the President not understanding reality and what people (real people not "public servants" or academia) need to do to survive and what really drives the economy of the country.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Work history for the President in the private sector would definitely prove your point?

Never said anything about Romney as I do not care much for him either, he is a silver spooner. This is about the President not understanding reality and what people (real people not "public servants" or academia) need to do to survive and what really drives the economy of the country.

This president appears to understand what drives this economy perfectly - he's created hundreds of thousands of jobs over the past three years, the GDP has risen, he's sanctioned against trade/China, he's supported our infrastucture support development, he's embraced new business technology, this president defends the poor and middle class, he understands exactly what they need when they are struggling, and he tries to work for them, outstandingly - and done it against historically complete obstruction and opposition by the opposing political party. All that "community organizer" attack crap? All that experience was working with the poor, helping them. And this president is hardly "liberal", let alone "socialist", in his financial/business approach.

Saying this president - love him or hate him - doesn't understand what "real people" need to do to survive is simply absurd and doesn't stand up to the reality.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

This president appears to understand what drives this economy perfectly - he's created hundreds of thousands of jobs over the past three years, the GDP has risen, he's sanctioned against trade/China, he's supported our infrastucture support development, he's embraced new business technology, this president defends the poor and middle class, he understands exactly what they need when they are struggling, and he tries to work for them, outstandingly - and done it against historically complete obstruction and opposition by the opposing political party. And this president is hardly "liberal", let alone "socialist", in his financial/business approach.

Saying this president - love him or hate him - doesn't understand what "real people" need to do to survive is simply absurd and doesn't stand up to the reality.

Don't stop believing.
This is a one of a kind statement and there is no logical person out there that would confirm what you have written.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtNHuqHWefU

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[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Don't stop believing. This is a one of a kind statement and there is no logical person out there that would confirm what you have written.

Really? We don't need "belief", nor do we need "logical people" to "confirm" anything. We just need the facts to confirm. So here's what I said, below. You are free to disprove it with facts that show otherwise:

1) Obama administration has created hundreds of thousands of jobs over the past three years

2) the GDP has risen

3) Obama administration has sanctioned against trade/China

4) Obama adminstration has supported our infrastucture support development

5) Obama administration has embraced new business technology

Saying this president - love him or hate him - doesn't understand what "real people" need to do to survive is simply absurd and doesn't stand up to the reality.

[OldDog]

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[OldDog]

Mitt Romney will say anything. It turns out, he'll even say Obama's words when quoting him.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ma_648762.html

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Really? We don't need "belief", nor do we need "logical people" to "confirm" anything. We just need the facts to confirm. So here's what I said, below. You are free to disprove it with facts that show otherwise:

1) Obama administration has created hundreds of thousands of jobs over the past three years

2) the GDP has risen

3) Obama administration has sanctioned against trade/China

4) Obama adminstration has supported our infrastucture support development

5) Obama administration has embraced new business technology

Saying this president - love him or hate him - doesn't understand what "real people" need to do to survive is simply absurd and doesn't stand up to the reality.

Everyone is always required to disprove your theories, you never show anything to prove your statements are in fact true.
Why are the jobs numbers so miserable if the President is creating jobs?
Why are all the new business technologies failing miserably despite the hundreds of millions of dollars being thrown their way?
If the GDP is going so well why is unemployment so high?
What specifically has been changed in our infrastructure?
Are there any measurable benefits that you can quantify from the trade sanctions against China (makers of our Olympic uniforms, BTW)?

Please defend your position with facts and numbers.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Everyone is always required to disprove your theories, you never show anything to prove your statements are in fact true.
Why are the jobs numbers so miserable if the President is creating jobs?
Why are all the new business technologies failing miserably despite the hundreds of millions of dollars being thrown their way?
If the GDP is going so well why is unemployment so high?
What specifically has been changed in our infrastructure?
Are there any measurable benefits that you can quantify from the trade sanctions against China (makers of our Olympic uniforms, BTW)?

Please defend your position with facts and numbers.

I have posted factual support for 100% of those claims on this board several times previously over the past year, and you know it. You are free to disprove them. Go ahead, or be quiet. YOU say they are not true - go ahead. Put your money where your mouth is. You always come on saying "that's not true", and you never put up. So put up now.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Mitt Romney will say anything. It turns out, he'll even say Obama's words when quoting him.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ma_648762.html

What I would really like to know is who he is pandering to with a statement like that? The people that work on road crews?
The whole tone (context be damned) of the speech just doesn't make any sense at all.

[Riot]

1) "Obama administration has created hundreds of thousands of jobs over the past three years" - proof here:



2) "the GDP has risen" - proof here:



3) "Obama administration has sanctioned against trade/China" - proof here:

US hails WTO (trade sanctions) win vs. China on electronic payments
http://news.yahoo.com/us-wins-wto-ba...170745530.html

China Is Secondary Target of Sanctions on Iran
Other importers of Iranian oil have been granted exemptions, but Washington has refused to grant them to China

Etc ... multiple, just search on USA-China trade sanctions

4) Obama adminstration has supported our infrastucture support development - proof here

Obama infrastructure bank
Obama infrastructure support bill
Obama stimulus infrastructure support American Recovery Reinvestment Act

5) Obama administration has embraced new business technology - proof here

Medical innovation, technology innovation, ARRA
"Obama administration launches $26 million multi-agency competition to strengthen advanced manufacturing clusters across the nation - 14 federal agencies collaborate to enhance global competitiveness of US manufacturers and create jobs" http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/eta/ETA20121082.htm

Clip Clop wrote, about the above: "Don't stop believing. This is a one of a kind statement and there is no logical person out there that would confirm what you have written." It's confirmed. Hell, it's been all over the news for the past three years. Being a rational person, influenced by fact and truth, I'm sure you now acknowledge it's true. Thanks.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

I have posted factual support for 100% of those claims on this board several times previously over the past year, and you know it. You are free to disprove them. Go ahead, or be quiet. YOU say they are not true - go ahead. Put your money where your mouth is. You always come on saying "that's not true", and you never put up. So put up now.

3) Obama administration has sanctioned against trade/China

Just address this one. Humor me. Is this about rare earth material?
One benefit that has happened as a result.

Complaining the the WTO doesn't actually produce anything.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

3) Obama administration has sanctioned against trade/China

Just address this one. Humor me. Is this about rare earth material?
One benefit that has happened as a result.

You should read a newspaper now and then. You are apparently completely ignorant of what this president does for business. As a small-business owner, I'd think you'd pay attention to things that directly influence you.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

You should read a newspaper now and then.

Opinions.

Looking for measurable results from the private sector. Those graphs are priceless by the way.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Opinions.

Looking for measurable results from the private sector. Those graphs are priceless by the way.

Facts. You hate 'em Again:you are really good at calling things false and untrue, but you never, ever support your claims. Go ahead. We're waiting.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

You should read a newspaper now and then. You are apparently completely ignorant of what this president does for business. As a small-business owner, I'd think you'd pay attention to things that directly influence you.

Like all the roads he built for me, or that the government created the internet? He is truly the small business owners President. Praise Obama.

APRAnet was the beginning of the internet, not government tech (thought the military was watching) between Stanford and UCLA scientists.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Like all the roads he built for me, or that the government created the internet? He is truly the small business owners President. Praise Obama.

APRAnet was the beginning of the internet, not government tech (thought the military was watching) between Stanford and UCLA scientists.

Just admit that you refuse to acknowledge factual truths about what this president has done for this country. You refused to support your allegations about the veracity of my statements, yet you demanded I prove my statements.

I did. At least have the morals and ethics to acknowlege you were wrong, and yes, I proved my statements true. You are free to dislike this president, but you are not free to dissemble about his factual accomplishments and pretend they don't exist, when they do.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Facts. You hate 'em Again:you are really good at calling things false and untrue, but you never, ever support your claims. Go ahead. We're waiting.

It is pointless.
I hate DC, every one of them should go.
You are a true believer and it is like arguing religion with you. You read it somewhere so it is fact because you want to believe it is fact.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

It is pointless.
I hate DC, every one of them should go.
You are a true believer and it is like arguing religion with you. You read it somewhere so it is fact because you want to believe it is fact.

LOL. No, facts are provable, rational, measurable truth, that has nothing to do with one's political views.

As I said, you are free to dislike this president, but your repeated, ridiculous denial of things that have actually happened is ... scary.