Mitt Romney calls half of America freeloaders

Originally Posted by joeydb

I won't disagree that Romney has made some missteps. He's far from perfect. But he doesn't need to be that great to be preferable to Obama.

He doesn't need to be that great?

I can't facepalm enough. This once great country is gone and has been co-opted by special interests that prey on people like Joey who would rather the world end than a baby be aborted.

Tired of this s.hit. Need to go back to states rights so I can have a chance of getting away from these idiots. Right now it's impossible.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

He doesn't need to be that great?

I can't facepalm enough. This once great country is gone and has been co-opted by special interests that prey on people like Joey who would rather the world end than a baby be aborted.

Tired of this s.hit. Need to go back to states rights so I can have a chance of getting away from these idiots. Right now it's impossible.

Can you read?

He is better than Obama. That is the only choice to be made in a two-party system.

Originally Posted by joeydb

Can you read?

He is better than Obama. That is the only choice to be made in a two-party system.

It's not a two-party system. We have the choice to pick other candidates. The problem is people like you don't stand for anything important. You do what you're told and aren't particularly inquisitive. Just like being spoon-fed and your environment stable.

A slave.

Explain this, slave.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/co...p?id=N00000286

Top contributors to the Romney Campaign

Goldman Sachs
$676,080
JPMorgan Chase & Co
$520,299
Morgan Stanley
$513,647
Bank of America
$510,728
Credit Suisse Group
$427,560
Citigroup Inc
$363,015
Barclays
$349,400
Wells Fargo
$320,025

Please explain how things will get better with Romney as President.

I'd really love to read something that isn't comparable to the mindset of a slave talking about their master.

[Danzig]

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d28...b224c574f2fcdd


another excerpt released from the same mother jones video. filmed at a 50k a plate dinner in boca raton, fla. 50k a plate?! wow.

joey, in what ways will romney 'be better'? the removal of banking regs? lowering taxes even more on the wealthy? growing the defense budget?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d28...b224c574f2fcdd


another excerpt released from the same mother jones video. filmed at a 50k a plate dinner in boca raton, fla. 50k a plate?! wow.

joey, in what ways will romney 'be better'? the removal of banking regs? lowering taxes even more on the wealthy? growing the defense budget?

As opposed to the bargain-basement $40,000 per plate fundraiser in Hollywood for Obama?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...ampaign-339410

It's funny how none of you guys ever talk about cutting spending, just raising more taxes. As if there is no limit to what can be raised and remaining blissfully ignorant of where the bracket is to collect from.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

As opposed to the bargain-basement $40,000 per plate fundraiser in Hollywood for Obama?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...ampaign-339410

It's funny how none of you guys ever talk about cutting spending, just raising more taxes. As if there is no limit to what can be raised and remaining blissfully ignorant of where the bracket is to collect from.

We want to NOT SPEND 3 Billion a day fighting unjust wars for the benefit of the oil companies and other war profiters like say Dick Cheney and George W Bush. That is a boat ****ing load of spend cut no? And NO I am against raising taxes I am FOR confiscation of money sheltered in overseas accounts to evade US taxes.

[pmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

It's not a two-party system. We have the choice to pick other candidates.

The entiitlement side of the street will never go to a 3rd party, big labor as well. This goes to the point Romney was trying to make (badly). 5 to 10% of the voters are in play. Hard to imagine a 3rd party able to overcome that dynamic and defeat the left. Unless/until things come completely unglued.

[Rudeboyelvis]

The assessment that 47% of Americans don't pay taxes is absolutely nothing but shear demagoguery designed to appeal to the far-right and of course the tax evaders that have enjoyed govt sanctioned bailouts in the masquerading of "tax cuts" for over 12 years.

Romney's headline assertion that 47% of Americans pay no income tax is almost correct, assuming he was referring to federal income tax. The Tax Policy Centre said that in 2011 46.4% of people paid no federal income tax. But his suggestion that such people do not "take personal responsibility and care for their lives" warrants further investigation.

Firstly, some of those people who did not pay income tax still paid payroll taxes, for social security and Medicare, so that it was only 18.1% of households that did not pay any income or payroll taxes. Given that there are sales taxes, state property taxes and state income taxes these people are still paying some tax – at what point you are deemed to be taking personal responsibility is subjective.

Of the 18.1% paying no income or payroll taxes, more than half (10.3% of all households) were elderly, so retired people who may well have paid income and payroll taxes, as well as others, during their working lives. Of the remainder, 6.9% of all households did not pay income or payroll taxes, essentially because they were poor, leaving 1% of "others" who did not pay either of these two types of taxes. Presumably, within the "others" category would fall the likes of six of the 400 US tax filers in 2009 with the highest adjusted gross income (at least $77m), who, according to Internal Revenue Service studies, paid no US income tax, and the 19,551 US households with income above $200,000 who owed no US or foreign income tax.

The percentage of people paying no federal income tax was even higher in 2008 and 2009 (50.8% in each of those years) but it is no coincidence that such figures have gone up during a recession (the figure was 39.9% in 2007).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...?newsfeed=true

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Danzig

romney's doing a good enough job of destroying himself, obama just has to sit back and watch him implode.

and i'm pretty sure romney has only been attacking obama, rather than run on his 'record'.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-li...d-open/1417104

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

As opposed to the bargain-basement $40,000 per plate fundraiser in Hollywood for Obama?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...ampaign-339410

It's funny how none of you guys ever talk about cutting spending, just raising more taxes. As if there is no limit to what can be raised and remaining blissfully ignorant of where the bracket is to collect from.

welllllll....thanks for paying attention joey. i've railed numerous times about the overspending on defense alone. that's only the tip of the iceberg. i've also said, numerous times, that we have got to get a handle on social security, and the two medi-'s. those programs are the incredibly vast majority of fed spending. they are untenable now, and the longer we wait to fix 'entitlements' (and medicare and ss aren't entitlements-we pay into those for retirement) the worse the eventual 'fix' will be.
and when the talk started about romneys speech at the fundraiser, the focus wasn't about the cost per plate, but what romney had to say when he thought he was only talking to people like him. and yeah, i can't relate to either 40 or 50k for one lousy dinner, and listening to some blowhard.
i see complaints on here, with good reason, about outsourcing jobs overseas. about money hidden overseas. well, the republican nominee knows all about that, doesn't he? why would one of the perpetrators of those be willing to make any changes in regards to those??
not a fan of raising taxes. however, the bush tax cuts have done nothing but raise the deficit. it was supposed to be temporary. i think they shouldn't be extended, especially not for the wealthy. it sure hasn't accomplished anything insofar as job growth. you know, what it was supposed to do.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

We want to NOT SPEND 3 Billion a day fighting unjust wars for the benefit of the oil companies and other war profiters like say Dick Cheney and George W Bush. That is a boat ****ing load of spend cut no? And NO I am against raising taxes I am FOR confiscation of money sheltered in overseas accounts to evade US taxes.

yeah, romney wants to cut spending..but only in some areas. in others, he wants to increase spending.


romney supporters-go to factcheck.org and see what they have to say about his unrealistic plans.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-li...d-open/1417104

saw that the other night.

[Riot]

Mother Jones is releasing rest of Romney tape, which includes more of Mitt Romney saying exactly what he really thinks:


Romney: Palestinians not interested in peace

By KEN THOMAS, Associated Press – 1 minute ago

COSTA MESA, Calif. (AP) — Republican Mitt Romney faced a new challenge Tuesday for saying Palestinians "have no interest" in peace with Israel, comments captured on newly released videotape of his private remarks to wealthy donors.

"You hope for some degree of stability, but you recognize that this is going to remain an unsolved problem ... and we kick the ball down the field and hope that ultimately, somehow, something will happen and resolve it," Romney said. He said pushing Israel to give up disputed territory for a two-state solution with the Palestinians "is the worst idea in the world."

The clip is the second to surface this week of Romney's remarks at a $50,000-a-plate fundraiser in Boca Raton, Fla., on May 17. Romney's campaign spent part of Monday trying to mitigate fallout from the first clip, in which Romney tells donors that 47 percent of Americans "believe they are victims" entitled to help from the government that permeates their lives.

continued ...

[Riot]

Interesting stories on all these tapes: first, there is a one-hour tape of the entire private dinner. All the bits and pieces are from this.

Excerpts have been out on the internet for some time, weeks, mostly YouTube. I saw one of them on Daily Kos earlier in the week.

A person going by the name of Anneonymous620 has been dribbling them out for some time, but not gaining traction.

In fact, 9 audio clips were posted on Daily Kos a couple days ago, but the poster was accused by other members of a false flag operation without verification of source/clips.

Jimmy Carter IV, yes, Jimmy Carter's grandson, does oppo research on his own. He saw one of the clips of tape on YouTube, Kos, Huffpost, and contacted, via Twitter, the person who put the tapes out.

Carter got the person connected with David Corn. Corn verified the tapes, location, etc. and published them under Mother Jones masthead. Corn has the original, high quality video with no blurring, blocking, etc.

And then they took off.

And the party? The location and host has been revealed, it was held March 17 at the Boca Raton residence of hedge-fund manager Mark Leder.

Mark Leder is famous for throwing sex-parties and orgies at his Bridgehampton home.

You can read the details at www.MotherJones.com

[Kasept]

A thorough, non-hysterical opinion piece by David Brooks in the NYT. Succinct regarding Romney and the purely inaccurate, wrong-headed notions.

Thurston Howell Romney

This comment suggests a few things. First, it suggests that he really doesn’t know much about the country he inhabits. Who are these freeloaders? Is it the Iraq war veteran who goes to the V.A.? Is it the student getting a loan to go to college? Is it the retiree on Social Security or Medicare?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

interesting article even more interesting is to hear rationalizations from people as they vote against their own self interests. According to this it is not ok to pay no taxes because your income - legal deductions don't meet the minimum standards for taxation however it is pefectly fine to EVADE taxes by stashing your cash in the Caymans.

Interesting aside: all those tax credits that are allowing lower income folks, people with lots of kids, mortgage deductions, etc to pay no federal taxes? Several of those tax credits were passed by Bush I and II.

And of course, half of the "no tax payers" are elderly, and pay no tax on their Social Security income. Evil moochers? Freeloaders? Hardly.

The bigger story about this, is that Mitt relaying the conservative meme that "47% pay no taxes thus they are freeloaders" is that the statement itself is a lie. They are not freeloaders. Half are elderly, and half are too poor to pay federal taxes (although they pay plenty of other taxes).

Which makes Mitt's disparaging dismissal of them as "freeloaders" both very, very cold and ignorant of America.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Charlie Pierce in his Esquire blog with a searing summation: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politic...9446e20a667d7d

Whoa ... he nailed it. Yikes.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Can you read?

He is better than Obama. That is the only choice to be made in a two-party system.

in what regard?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Kasept

A thorough, non-hysterical opinion piece by David Scott in the NYT. Succinct regarding Romney and the purely inaccurate, wrong-headed notions.

Thurston Howell Romney

This comment suggests a few things. First, it suggests that he really doesn’t know much about the country he inhabits. Who are these freeloaders? Is it the Iraq war veteran who goes to the V.A.? Is it the student getting a loan to go to college? Is it the retiree on Social Security or Medicare?

[Riot]

Media Matters follows the development of Fox News and RW media in creating, out of thin air, the meme that the 47% who pay no taxes are "freeloaders and moochers" via Hannity, Doocey, Carlson, O'Reilly

How The Right Wing Media Built Mitt Romney's 47 Percent Line

The right-wing media's assault on struggling Americans found its way in to GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney's recently revealed remarks disparaging 47 percent of Americans "who pay no income tax" to a group of wealthy donors, once again demonstrating the conservative media's central role in the GOP.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...neys-47/189967