Romney - Holding a 14 point advantage with Middle Class

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Zig...how's is this for specific?


http://www.mittromney.com/issues/spending

Set Honest Goals: Cap Spending At 20 Percent Of GDP

Any turnaround must begin with clear and realistic goals. Optimistic projections cannot wish a problem away, they can only make it worse. As president, Mitt’s goal will be to bring federal spending below 20 percent of GDP by the end of his first term:

Reduced from 24.3 percent last year; in line with the historical trend between 18 and 20 percent
Close to the tax revenue generated by the economy when healthy
Requires spending cuts of approximately $500 billion per year in 2016 assuming robust economic recovery with 4% annual growth, and reversal of irresponsible Obama-era defense cuts
Take Immediate Action: Return Non-Security Discretionary Spending To Below 2008 Levels

Any turnaround must also stop the bleeding and reverse the most recent and dramatic damage:

Send Congress a bill on Day One that cuts non-security discretionary spending by 5 percent across the board
Pass the House Republican Budget proposal, rolling back President Obama’s government expansion by capping non-security discretionary spending below 2008 levels
Follow A Clear Roadmap: Build A Simpler, Smaller, Smarter Government

Most importantly, any turnaround must have a thoughtful, structured approach to achieving its goals. Mitt will attack the bloated budget from three angles:

The Federal Government Should Stop Doing Things The American People Can’t Afford, For Instance:
Repeal Obamacare — Savings: $95 Billion. President Obama’s costly takeover of the health care system imposes an enormous and unaffordable obligation on the federal government while intervening in a matter that should be left to the states. Mitt will begin his efforts to repeal this legislation on Day One.
Privatize Amtrak — Savings: $1.6 Billion. Despite requirement that Amtrak operate on a for-profit basis, it continues to receive about $1.6 billion in taxpayer funds each year. Forty-one of Amtrak’s 44 routes lost money in 2008 with losses ranging from $5 to $462 per passenger.
Reduce Subsidies For The National Endowments For The Arts And Humanities, The Corporation For Public Broadcasting, And The Legal Services Corporation — Savings: $600 Million. NEA, NEH, and CPB provide grants to supplement other sources of funding. LSC funds services mostly duplicative of those already offered by states, localities, bar associations and private organizations.
Eliminate Title X Family Planning Funding — Savings: $300 Million. Title X subsidizes family planning programs that benefit abortion groups like Planned Parenthood.
Reduce Foreign Aid — Savings: $100 Million. Stop borrowing money from countries that oppose America’s interests in order to give it back to them in the form of foreign aid.
If pursued with focus and discipline, Mitt’s approach provides a roadmap to rescue the federal government from its present precipice. But that respite will be short-lived without a plan for the looming long-term threat posed by the unsustainable nature of existing entitlement obligations. Learn more about Mitt’s proposals for entitlement reform: Medicare and Social Security.

Empower States To Innovate — Savings: >$100 billion
Block grants have huge potential to generate both superior results and cost savings by establishing local control and promoting innovation in areas such as Medicaid and Worker Retraining. Medicaid spending should be capped and increased each year by CPI + 1%. Department of Labor retraining spending should be capped and will increase in future years. These funds should then be given to the states to spend on their own residents. States will be free from Washington micromanagement, allowing them to develop innovative approaches that improve quality and reduce cost.
Improve Efficiency And Effectiveness. Where the federal government should act, it must do a better job. For instance:
Reduce Waste And Fraud — Savings: $60 Billion. The federal government made $125 billion in improper payments last year. Cutting that amount in half through stricter enforcement and harsher penalties yields returns many times over on the investment.
Align Federal Employee Compensation With The Private Sector — Savings: $47 Billion. Federal compensation exceeds private sector levels by as much as 30 to 40 percent when benefits are taken into account. This must be corrected.
Repeal The Davis-Bacon Act — Savings: $11 Billion. Davis-Bacon forces the government to pay above-market wages, insulating labor unions from competition and driving up project costs by approximately 10 percent.
Reduce The Federal Workforce By 10 Percent Via Attrition — Savings: $4 Billion. Despite widespread layoffs in the private sector, President Obama has continued to grow the federal payrolls. The federal workforce can be reduced by 10 percent through a “1-for-2” system of attrition, thereby reducing the number of federal employees while allowing the introduction of new talent into the federal service.
Consolidate agencies and streamline processes to cut costs and improve results in everything from energy permitting to worker retraining to trade negotiation.

[geeker2]

or this....

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/regulation


Mitt Romney will treat regulatory costs like other costs: he will establish firm limits for them. A Romney administration will act swiftly to tear down the vast edifice of regulations the Obama administration has imposed on the economy. It will also seek to make structural changes to the federal bureaucracy that ensure economic growth remains front and center when regulatory decisions are made.

Eliminate Undue Economic Burdens

One of the greatest problems with the federal bureaucracy is that each incoming presidential administration leaves in place much of what its predecessor constructed. The result is layer upon layer of often unnecessary or inconsistent regulation. President Obama has compounded this problem with unprecedented federal power grabs over wide swaths of the economy. Obama-era laws and regulations must be rolled back, and pre-existing ones must be carefully scrutinized.

Repeal Obamacare
Repeal Dodd-Frank and replace with streamlined, modern regulatory framework
Amend Sarbanes-Oxley to relieve mid-size companies from onerous requirements
Initiate review and elimination of all Obama-era regulations that unduly burden the economy
Reform Environmental Regulation

As president, Mitt Romney will eliminate the regulations promulgated in pursuit of the Obama administration’s costly and ineffective anti-carbon agenda. Romney will also press Congress to reform our environmental laws to ensure that they allow for a proper assessment of their costs.

Ensure that environmental laws properly account for cost in regulatory process
Provide multi-year lead times before companies must come into compliance with onerous new environmental regulations
Adopt Structural Reforms

An agency may be able to conceive of ten different regulations, each imposing costs of $10 billion while producing at least as much in social benefit. Moving forward might sound like a great idea to the typical regulator. But imposing those regulations, no matter what the social benefits, has a similar effect to raising taxes by $100 billion. Regulatory costs need to be treated like the very real costs they are.

Impose a regulatory cap of zero dollars on all federal agencies
Require congressional approval of all new “major” regulations
Reform legal liability system to prevent spurious litigation

[Danzig]

he says clear and realistic, and then says assuming 'robust growth, etc'. that's a laugh.
defense cuts-the ones that congress could have avoided? besides, if we cut defense in HALF, we would still spend 1/4 of the entire worlds defense monies-by ourself. so, what, instead of killing china ten times over, it would be six times over? i mean, people only have to die once....like we're going to war with china.
romney already said he wants to keep parts of obamacare, so that repeal is probably off.
been hearing about privatizing amtrak for years, not holding my breath.
nea-that's a gnat on an elephants ass when it comes to budget issues.
title x-that won't happen.
foreign aid-see nea, above.





let's be realistic about our issues that are facing us. much of that stuff you put up has nothing to do with the actual real, deep, growing issues that are centered on the federal budget.
the vast majority of federal spending goes to:
defense
medicare/medicaid/social security
interest on debt, and then
everything else combined, which doesn't equal any one of the above.

so, this guy wants to cut taxes (again, not mathematically possible to do what he said he wants to do) raise defense spending (WHY????), and give vouchers for medicare (will never happen).

and you mentioned above that he wants to repeal dodd/frank and have 'good regulations'. what does he mean by that? what would those regs be exactly? no one seems to know.
he deals in generalities. i'm going to fix this, this and this. how?

'empower states to innovate'. wtf is that supposed to mean???


presidential candidates have mentioned fraud and waste since i was born, during johsons term. yeah....we'll see how that one goes.


sorry, not seeing where romney is 'better'. it's all blather, smoke, and mirrors. which sounds par for the course actually!!! congrats mitt, you're a po-LIE-tician.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i ask the following as someone who is truly curious about what is seen by those supporting mitt-and as someone who isn't supporting the president either.
how will romney get control of the deficit? like i said earlier, economists have said his talk on taxes is mathematically impossible.
romney wants to grow defense spending. how will that help the deficit? how does that give less govt.?
what entitlement programs do you feel are unnecessary and unaffordable that the fed can cut? what is romneys solution in this area? i don't know of one.
how does romney's and ryans positions on womens reproductive rights square with 'less government'?
unions aren't destroying the country. banking is doing a good job of it tho. romney wants to remove banking regs. how will that help?
our stance on israel hasn't changed in decades. obama's take on them has been no different than previous administrations.
do you feel that the current economic sanctions that are harming iran are in fact not working? what will romney do that will keep them from going nuclear that will be better than what we're doing now?

I find it interesting that you have been on this kick lately of demanding those who support Romney as to why they do. I can't recall you telling us why Obama is a better choice then Romney.

Is it his economic policies which have increased the real unemployment rate to well almost 11% and put more people on public assistance than ever before in our country? Is it Obamacare because it is going to ballon the deficit and because government does ANYTHING better than the private sector? Is it his foreign policy where he is allowing the Iranian's to get closer to getting a nuclear bomb by the day hoping that sanctions will stop them? Is it his lack of additional security on 9/11 which led to the death of an ambassador despite knowledge that terrorists have attacked embassies on 9/11 in the past?

You want entitlement programs to cut, then lets start with Acorn and a laundry list of similar programs which should not get taxpayer money. You think our stance has not changed on Israel? Is that why Netanyahu has taken a pretty unprecedented step of involving himself in another country's election by openly campaigning for Romney?

So tell us since you seem to know and ask everyone else to answer, what are Obama's policies that are better than the ones that Geek has outlined?

I would like to thank Geek for taking the time that I did not have earlier. Sure seems like a lot of policies for someone who has none.

[geeker2]

When I go to Obama's site I can't seem to get past

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and when I put in my fake email and zip I get to this....

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At least Romney tried to put up some useful stuff -you may not like it..but it is out there

http://www.mittromney.com/issues


http://www.mittromney.com/blogs/mitt...middle-class01

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pointman

I find it interesting that you have been on this kick lately of demanding those who support Romney as to why they do. I can't recall you telling us why Obama is a better choice then Romney.

Is it his economic policies which have increased the real unemployment rate to well almost 11% and put more people on public assistance than ever before in our country? Is it Obamacare because it is going to ballon the deficit and because government does ANYTHING better than the private sector? Is it his foreign policy where he is allowing the Iranian's to get closer to getting a nuclear bomb by the day hoping that sanctions will stop them? Is it his lack of additional security on 9/11 which led to the death of an ambassador despite knowledge that terrorists have attacked embassies on 9/11 in the past?

You want entitlement programs to cut, then lets start with Acorn and a laundry list of similar programs which should not get taxpayer money. You think our stance has not changed on Israel? Is that why Netanyahu has taken a pretty unprecedented step of involving himself in another country's election by openly campaigning for Romney?

So tell us since you seem to know and ask everyone else to answer, what are Obama's policies that are better than the ones that Geek has outlined?

I would like to thank Geek for taking the time that I did not have earlier. Sure seems like a lot of policies for someone who has none.

i don't think obama is a good choice, and he won't be getting my vote. but, neither will romney. and romney says he's going to hang the moon-i wonder just how he'll do that. like i said, most of that is rehashed from countless campaigns. none of it ever happens.
30 years from now, we'll still be nibbling around the edges, while defense, ss/medicare and the interest on all our debt will be all that the fed will be able to support.
romney wants to jack with taxes-maybe he wants to get his effective rate below 10%? and he wants to remove bank regs, and put in new ones-exactly what will those be? what will they accomplish that's different from the current regs?

as for sanctions on iran, yeah, they are working.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

I find it interesting that you have been on this kick lately of demanding those who support Romney as to why they do. I can't recall you telling us why Obama is a better choice then Romney.

Is it his economic policies which have increased the real unemployment rate to well almost 11%

No, the "real" unemployment rate you are referring to has fallen from 15% to 11% due to Obama's economic policies. If you are going to use it, you have to use it honestly. Unemployment has dropped, and 4.6 million jobs have been created.

Considering Bush put us in a hole by losing 9 million jobs in his recession, that 3-year result is certainly headed in the right direction.

and put more people on public assistance than ever before in our country?

Nonsense. What a false flag. "Obama" hasn't put anybody on public aid. People qualify for public aid. Obama hasn't changed the qualifications. Bush was the last president to ease those. Oh - and that giant recession of Bush, and the 50-year-transfer of wealth vastly enlarging our poverty class is not Obama's fault and everyone knows it.

Is it Obamacare because it is going to ballon the deficit

False. Provide proof of this, it's a weird claim that nobody has made. Probably because the program is paid for and was scored as deficit-neutral.

and because government does ANYTHING better than the private sector?

Government sure does Medicare better than private insurance: it costs less to provide much better service.

Is it his foreign policy where he is allowing the Iranian's to get closer to getting a nuclear bomb by the day hoping that sanctions will stop them?

The sanctions are working, and our allies admit that. Don't fall for Bibi and Romney's war-mongering.

Is it his lack of additional security on 9/11 which led to the death of an ambassador despite knowledge that terrorists have attacked embassies on 9/11 in the past?

You completely ignore the situation in Libya making that statement. Oh - and the reason why the Ambassador was at that consulate.

You want entitlement programs to cut, then lets start with Acorn

LOL ! Acorn hasn't existed for a couple years - it went out of business after the House cut it's funding based upon a faked video from Breitbarts boy.

Obama is doing just fine, thanks. You're free to provide some facts and figures to support your contentions. Or better yet, show any plan at all of Romney's that has some specifics. Romney's financial plan has been scored as immediately adding $5 trillion to our deficit due to his tax cuts, recalling Obamacare, etc.

[pointman]

"No, the "real" unemployment rate you are referring to has fallen from 15% to 11% due to Obama's economic policies. If you are going to use it, you have to use it honestly. Unemployment has dropped, and 4.6 million jobs have been created.

Considering Bush put us in a hole by losing 9 million jobs in his recession, that 3-year result is certainly headed in the right direction."

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzucke...dream-is-a-job

"Nonsense. What a false flag. "Obama" hasn't put anybody on public aid. People qualify for public aid. Obama hasn't changed the qualifications. Bush was the last president to ease those. Oh - and that giant recession of Bush, and the 50-year-transfer of wealth vastly enlarging our poverty class is not Obama's fault and everyone knows it."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/this...ruin-your-day/

"False. Provide proof of this, it's a weird claim that nobody has made. Probably because the program is paid for and was scored as deficit-neutral. "

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/201...s-his-critics/

"Government sure does Medicare better than private insurance: it costs less to provide much better service."



"The sanctions are working, and our allies admit that. Don't fall for Bibi and Romney's war-mongering."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/interna...mq5ceqOCVTtDlL

"You completely ignore the situation in Libya making that statement. Oh - and the reason why the Ambassador was at that consulate."

The Ambassador should have been secure, particularly on that day. Period.

"LOL ! Acorn hasn't existed for a couple years - it went out of business after the House cut it's funding based upon a faked video from Breitbarts boy."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/repo...s-still-exist/

[Riot]

Sen. Lindsey Graham said the following to the Washington Post during the 2012 Republican National Convention: